Valvoline Restore & Protect

[PWMDMD]

I understand….

But your post was not quite as detailed or concise in that aspect. .

And I have become much, much more skeptical of many people over the last 23 years… For very, very strong reasons.

Again, your post I responded to there was very good overall and I agree with the general sentiment behind it.

You and I seem-to see things from a different perspective at times. And being perfectly candid I think I have been not the best at times articulating things in the best way with you. So I do apologize to you for that happening.

Believe it or not but I am actually a very reasonable person and pretty good guy to be around and talk to. In person I’d bet you and I would have a very good time talking with one another.

bbhero, please do not interpret my previous post in any way as being an attack on you or what you wrote. I was just trying to articulate myself a bit better and I don't think you are an unreasonable person here or IRL. We are allowed to see things from a different perspective and still be civil and even enjoy the banter.

 

[Four Rings]

What if it’s called “lubricant composition containing ashless TBN molecules” - 2 for Valvoline (2022 & 2023) and one of the names is Indian

This one looks like it is a good match to Valvoline’s R&P claims:
https://patents.justia.com/patent/11078436

 

[ZeeOSix]

... and one of the names is Indian

It's all about the synergy and the Ying Yang in the patent that makes if work ...

 

[4WD]

It's all about the synergy and the Ying Yang in the patent that makes if work ...

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I was making a reference to what is said between 2:00-4:30 - where there are key words associated with the 2022/2023 patents I mentioned - remember this was an unexpected result …
(did they file for antioxidant patent, then tests surprised)
Many western companies have turned to labs in India.

 

[Brian123]

This one looks like it is a good match to Valvoline’s R&P claims:
https://patents.justia.com/patent/11078436

I see the word Claim quite a bit in the Patent, I also see Valvoline in there. Realize that when you get a Patent that is to protect your product from not being copied. Before anyone says I missed something, I have had some refreshments.

 

[4WD]

I see the word Claim quite a bit in the Patent, I also see Valvoline in there. Realize that when you get a Patent that is to protect your product from not being copied. Before anyone says I missed something, I have had some refreshments.

Claims are common lingo in the PVL business …
Having some vine ripened myself

 

[Brian123]

Claims are common lingo in the PVL business …
Having some vine ripened myself

Thank You 4 pointing that out!

 

[Drush]

Who cares about marketing if it actually works. I find it ironic some of those demanding data and results don’t have any data that it doesn’t work either. Pot meet kettle.

I have seen a little (certainly not conclusive) evidence there is something to it and none so far that it does nothing.

Best comment on this thread.

 

[Drush]

People will keep on hating with their baseless claims. Notice most of those same folks push other products?

It goes something like this" I love Amsoil..I use it in everything. Even cook with it. If I could put a ring on it I would. I sell it to as a side hustle, but I'm not biased against other oils because of this. Amsoil was created by the God's, just trust me...."

 

[Jetronic]

It doesn't appear that Valvoline has filed any patents pertaining to their mysterious wunder molecule.

Patents Assigned to Valvoline Licensing and Intellectual Property LLC - Justia Patents Search

Justia - Patents - Patents and Patent Application Resources

patents.justia.com

When you file a patent you give away the secret sauce. Likely a variation could be made that also works and wouldn't break the patent. In such cases, a trade secret is likely better.

 

[4WD]

Valvoline historically has always been about the OEM drain interval.

Roger England said they have all the engine testing capability, the chemical lab, chemical analytics. Working with the lab in India, it's synthesized and scaled up to production.

I wish people applied the same level of skepticism to other brands. It's interesting how selective people are in their criticism. You can clearly see the bias and selective criticism on display.

The before/after shot of the piston was only 4k miles and it cleaned up quite well for just one OCI IMO.

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Except if they were working on joining the longer range OCI competition - which would point to the patents I found …
(The piston thing - England admitted was a surprise)

 

[ltslimjim]

One thing about LSJ I have to say is he never seems to prefer a single brand. He's pretty objective and not a brand guy. He also worked for Driven so if he thinks their lab/facility is impressive, I believe him.

Here is a Screenshot of his response to the YouTube Comments in this Video:

 

[buster]

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Thanks. It's true in that what you see on a spec sheet/VOA doesn't tell you the whole story (Fordbossme take note). He even showed a screen shot of Red Line and Driven Oil. Red Line had a lot more AW additives and detergents but produced worse results than the Driven. Then you have this R&P oil which on paper looks like every other oil but it's cleaning ability is unique.

Roger England also emphasized how important testing is in real time. He said how else can you detect all these nuances. Dan Peterson of Amsoil said the same thing in the Gale Banks videos when they were trying to nail down deposit chemistry. If they had no dewpoint controlled engine lab, they would have been guessing.

 

[BornSlippy]

Here is a Screenshot of his response to the YouTube Comments in this Video:View attachment 221737

Further on down, Lake also said BITOG hates him.

 

[ltslimjim]

Further on down, Lake also said BITOG hates him.

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[4WD]

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Yes, I made the ASTM certified clarification in a PM …

 

[buster]

Good point @4WD

It comes down to being ASTM certified.

It was posted/discussed years ago about Valvoline's lab and how extensive it was. How do people think they caught the Katrina Mobil 1 blend that had IVA issues? They found it through their own testing internally and used it for marketing purposes. Kind of a cheap shot but that's how it works lol.

 

[Foxtrot08]

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He should come be adventurous like me and post here.

It’s fun. I swear.

 

[dumkid]

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if his voice was less annoying yall would love him
or if he had a drawing and other info of the specific cleaning molecule they use

 

[OVERKILL]

Thanks. It's true in that what you see on a spec sheet/VOA doesn't tell you the whole story (Fordbossme take note). He even showed a screen shot of Red Line and Driven Oil. Red Line had a lot more AW additives and detergents but produced worse results than the Driven.

We've touched on this before, but it's an important thing to note. Just because you have an assload of a specific additive, does not mean that the product is going to provide lower wear. As has been stated a million times, oil blending is a balancing act, which is why pour-in additives with outlandish claims justifiably get roasted.

With an oil like Redline, because it is claimed to have a lot of ester, and esters fight for surface area; create surface competition with the additives, your additive package may be "more robust" in appearance to your average armchair chemist, but that may in fact only render it "about as good" as an additive package that looks weaker, but isn't being blended with a base oil blend that's very high in esters. And this ignores the synergies between different elements and base oil blends that can work to improve performance in many areas, but are not obvious or visible to Dora the VOA Explorer.