Valvoline Restore and Protect Fuel System Cleaner??

ltslimjim said:
I probably shouldn’t have gotten into the bandwagon train of “better”.

Let me clarify: No where did I state Valvoline Restore and Protect won’t perform, but as you state we need real world data.

And, while Valvoline Restore and Protect has had success in engine oil, this is the first time we’ve seen them apparently use the new tech in a fuel additive.

That’s it.

Red Line SI - 1 is merely already proven in this space.

I’m hopeful Valvoline Restore and Protect will be a winner as a fuel additive, too.

Let’s see the real world data. ;) 🍻
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I'm more so enjoying the fact that my comment is living rent free in so many people's heads that they had to rent out some space in the cloud. I simply made the statement because I've used all of their products for a long time and I know what I got out of them. I was using Red Line back when Advance Auto Parts was selling it in the brick and mortar stores in the mid-2000s. All of their products exceeded anything you could have got from any parts store or Walmart including their fuel system cleaner which for a while BMW even I believe had it rebranded as one of their own part numbers. So essentially I'd like to say to Valvoline Welcome to the the party that we've been waiting on you for the last 20 years that you're just now getting to. So yeah, i can say it's better because it's served me well nobody else would have even considered using Valvoline at all. For the longest time on this forum it's been red line and BG 44k, and Chevron Techron and that was about it.
 
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ltslimjim said:
#1 Red Line is proven and does what it claims. So, it's better until Valvoline Restore and Protect proves itself. IDK how much it can improve upon SI - 1 though. That stuff cleans really well.

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Revving2Redline said:
I'm more so enjoying the fact that my comment is living rent free in so many people's heads that they had to rent out some space in the cloud. I simply made the statement because I've used all of their products for a long time and I know what I got out of them. I was using Red Line back when Advance Auto Parts was selling it in the brick and mortar stores in the mid-2000s. All of their products exceeded anything you could have got from any parts store or Walmart including their fuel system cleaner which for a while BMW even I believe had it rebranded as one of their own part numbers. So essentially I'd like to say to Valvoline Welcome to the the party that we've been waiting on you for the last 20 years that you're just now getting to. So yeah, i can say it's better because it's served me well nobody else would have even considered using Valvoline at all. For the longest time on this forum it's been red line and BG 44k, and Chevron Techron and that was about it.
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And I thought you just thought it was better because of the clear, round bottle and because most of all, it was RED!!!!
 
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Carguy2427 said:
Have you even tried it?
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When I've been using something for over 20 years that hasn't let me down why in the world would I even go out and look for something different. In all seriousness, this forum teaches us that whatever we are doing if it's a method that is working don't alter or mess with it. People on here running cheap motor oil changing it every 3,000 miles and they have over four or five hundred thousand miles on their vehicle and they are wanting to go over to synthetic and we shy them away from that because what they've done is gotten them this far.
 
ClutchDisc said:
Maybe I am the only one but at this point I think Valvoline is just trying to capitalize on the name. First the ATF, now this. I will pass. The more products they make and slap the name restore and protect on, the less credibility they have in my eyes.
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As the person who works directly with Valvoline I can tell you they have very strict guidelines for claims needing to be proven and made for what can carry the Restore and Protect sub branding and you cant just slap the name on any liquid you want.
 
Revving2Redline said:
When I've been using something for over 20 years that hasn't let me down why in the world would I even go out and look for something different. In all seriousness, this forum teaches us that whatever we are doing if it's a method that is working don't alter or mess with it. People on here running cheap motor oil changing it every 3,000 miles and they have over four or five hundred thousand miles on their vehicle and they are wanting to go over to synthetic and we shy them away from that because what they've done is gotten them this far.
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You didn't read my reply to you a day ago where I basically tell you to keep using Redline and I get where you are coming from. I am a normal person just like you, im just here to answer questions where I can.
 
Not sure what’s so difficult to understand that Valvoline Restore and Protect is an entirely new chemistry.

Polyetheramine hit the consumer market in 1981 when Chevron first released Techron.

It’s proven, it works. You can buy it today in varying concentrations. Redline and BG44K (and other brands) may use additional chemicals for varying purposes (upper cylinder lubrication, etc) but the “meat and potatoes” core of the product is the pea.

Technology and scientific understanding improves over time, especially in the context of 40+ years. If this was a new product from some unknown company making wild claims with nothing more than the advertising print on the bottle, sure, who would trust that?

Valvoline brought the goods to the table with industry standard testing and proof. Still some people say “it’s just marketing” in the face of 2+ years of nearly unanimous real world consumer feedback. Whatever this new discovery of cleaning properties is they have hit upon for their oil it’s not difficult to believe that it would translate well to cleaning the fuel system also.

I’ll bet ya dollars to donuts that as soon as the rest of the players come upon whatever chemistry Valvoline has discovered through their R&D that they will bring competing products to market. Not sure how patents work in this scenario and how well Valvoline will be able to keep the IP secret.

Nobody is denying PEA works and has been the gold standard for nearly half a century. But to think that it’s totally unfeasible that there could be something better is silly. The fact that Valvoline Restore and Protect FSC contains zero pea speaks for itself.
 
melk said:
Not sure what’s so difficult to understand that Valvoline Restore and Protect is an entirely new chemistry.

Polyetheramine hit the consumer market in 1981 when Chevron first released Techron.

It’s proven, it works. You can buy it today in varying concentrations. Redline and BG44K (and other brands) may use additional chemicals for varying purposes (upper cylinder lubrication, etc) but the “meat and potatoes” core of the product is the pea.

Technology and scientific understanding improves over time, especially in the context of 40+ years. If this was a new product from some unknown company making wild claims with nothing more than the advertising print on the bottle, sure, who would trust that?

Valvoline brought the goods to the table with industry standard testing and proof. Still some people say “it’s just marketing” in the face of 2+ years of nearly unanimous real world consumer feedback. Whatever this new discovery of cleaning properties is they have hit upon for their oil it’s not difficult to believe that it would translate well to cleaning the fuel system also.

I’ll bet ya dollars to donuts that as soon as the rest of the players come upon whatever chemistry Valvoline has discovered through their R&D that they will bring competing products to market. Not sure how patents work in this scenario and how well Valvoline will be able to keep the IP secret.

Nobody is denying PEA works and has been the gold standard for nearly half a century. But to think that it’s totally unfeasible that there could be something better is silly. The fact that Valvoline Restore and Protect FSC contains zero pea speaks for itself.
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This is the first use of "Valvoline Restore and Protect tech" in a FSC. It's not proven in real world in this space, yet. Also, many "FSC" don't contain PEA. And still are sold as FSC. Does that speak for itself? So no, it's not Black and White. And, as the video I posted before demonstrated, how much is there to improve upon with those results? It would be great to have an improvement, but one has to wonder how much is there to be improved upon? Valvoline Restore and Protect is the first OTS engine oil that we know of to reverse piston ring deposits. So, what will it do as a FSC that the best PEA cleaners don't already do? This is a nuanced topic and why there's always a question as to new products and what they actually do. That's not the same as claiming something won't work. There may simply be multiple ways to reach the same goals; i.e. cleaning the fuel system in this context.

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"There are no PEA (polyetherimide) cleaners. We use a brand-new proprietary fuel additive technology developed and proven to remove deposits better than PEA, while also helping keep the system cleaner longer. Give it a try, there is a 100% satisfaction guarantee."

"The new Valvoline Restore and Protect™ Fuel System Cleaner is a high-performance deposit control formulation engineered to deliver up to 100% removal of fuel system deposits in Gasoline Direct Injection (GDI), Carbureted, and Port Fuel Injection (PFI) engines within a single tank of treatment, as validated through real world and ASTM laboratory testing.
This formulation incorporates a next-generation proprietary detergent chemistry specifically developed to withstand the elevated pressures, temperatures, and injector tip coking environments characteristic of modern GDI combustion systems. Performance validation includes ASTM-based deposit control and cleanliness evaluations demonstrating complete removal of injector and intake valve deposits under standardized test conditions as well as in real world testing. The product also meets Top Tier™ detergent performance standards, ensuring compatibility with advanced deposit control requirements.

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melk said:
Not sure what’s so difficult to understand that Valvoline Restore and Protect is an entirely new chemistry.

Polyetheramine hit the consumer market in 1981 when Chevron first released Techron.

It’s proven, it works. You can buy it today in varying concentrations. Redline and BG44K (and other brands) may use additional chemicals for varying purposes (upper cylinder lubrication, etc) but the “meat and potatoes” core of the product is the pea.

Technology and scientific understanding improves over time, especially in the context of 40+ years. If this was a new product from some unknown company making wild claims with nothing more than the advertising print on the bottle, sure, who would trust that?

Valvoline brought the goods to the table with industry standard testing and proof. Still some people say “it’s just marketing” in the face of 2+ years of nearly unanimous real world consumer feedback. Whatever this new discovery of cleaning properties is they have hit upon for their oil it’s not difficult to believe that it would translate well to cleaning the fuel system also.

I’ll bet ya dollars to donuts that as soon as the rest of the players come upon whatever chemistry Valvoline has discovered through their R&D that they will bring competing products to market. Not sure how patents work in this scenario and how well Valvoline will be able to keep the IP secret.

Nobody is denying PEA works and has been the gold standard for nearly half a century. But to think that it’s totally unfeasible that there could be something better is silly. The fact that Valvoline Restore and Protect FSC contains zero pea speaks for itself.
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It got more pushback from the start than I would have expected and continued longer than I would have expected.
 
Carguy2427 said:
As the person who works directly with Valvoline I can tell you they have very strict guidelines for claims needing to be proven and made for what can carry the Restore and Protect sub branding and you cant just slap the name on any liquid you want.
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Now if Valvoline would come up with a simple, easy way to clean the carbon off GDI intake valves that doesn't require taking off the manifold...
 
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