Toyota claims 10K Synth vs 5K Conv

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Originally Posted By: Smokescreen
I do encounter colder temps in the winter from time to time sometimes as low as -40F (-40C) on a rare cold snap, but most of winter is spent hovering around 32F (0C) and a little colder. My driving is always always more than 5 miles (8km) it is seldom less than 35miles at a time as I live in rural but paved community. I also travel at 55mph (90km/hr) more than 90% of my commutes.

So my oil gets up to temp every start, every time. I drive low engine speeds, hardly any stop and go. So...Is my usage even close to severe?

I guess I am just a little timid as to mess up a good thing as well being that I get exceptional fuel economy and do not burn a drop of oil, I wouldn't want to extend my interval if it meant either of those things were compromised.



There is no way you can class the use of your car as extreme service. There are 4 main reasons why oil gets contaminated to such an extent that it needs changing early. The most common one is too much time stuck in traffic at idle, followed by a bad engine that has either a faulty injection system causing fuel contamination, coolant contamination or thermostat stuck open. The third most common reason is Silicon contamination from ultra fine sand particles passing through the air filter when off roading or a faulty air filtration system, the fith reason is probably multiple short trips where the engine does not reach full operating temperature. I suspect the fith most common reason is boy racer syndrome where the cars is driven very hard every trip.
The various articles that mention what degrades engine oil faster than normal do mention temperature extremes, but I have never seen a UOA that shows such effects.
 
This is what my oil looked like in my Prius C right before I had it changed at 10K miles on the odo. It took me about 5 months to hit 10K which included a 2k trip. No UOA was done but I wasn't too worried about it.

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That's a pretty good color for 10k. Oil level is a bit low, but that's what you would expect from the first fill until you break in.

How do you like the Prius C? What kind of MPG are you getting?
 
The oil level was still full, see how the top hole has oil in it. I am happy with my C, I generally get 55-58 mpg commuting to work.
 
Originally Posted By: Oldwolf
The oil level was still full, see how the top hole has oil in it. I am happy with my C, I generally get 55-58 mpg commuting to work.



55-58 MILES TO THE GALLON!!!!????? HOLY [censored]!
 
Originally Posted By: lexus114
Originally Posted By: Oldwolf
The oil level was still full, see how the top hole has oil in it. I am happy with my C, I generally get 55-58 mpg commuting to work.



55-58 MILES TO THE GALLON!!!!????? HOLY [censored]!

Yep, that's more than twice what most fuel-efficient cars get.

Are you getting more MPG than the Prius? Is it mostly highway? What's the cruising speed?
 
Originally Posted By: lexus114
Originally Posted By: Oldwolf
The oil level was still full, see how the top hole has oil in it. I am happy with my C, I generally get 55-58 mpg commuting to work.



55-58 MILES TO THE GALLON!!!!????? HOLY [censored]!


Wow! Nice!
 
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Prius NiMH battery is currently $4,000 + shipping. Along with the initial-purchase premium, it does offset the fuel-saving benefits quite a bit, especially if you keep the car too long so that you have to replace the battery.


What is your agenda in lying?

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As the Prius reached ten years of being available in the U.S. market, in February 2011 Consumer Reports decided to look at the lifetime of the Prius battery and the cost to replace it. The magazine tested a 2002 Toyota Prius with over 200,000 miles on it, and compared the results to the nearly identical 2001 Prius with 2,000 miles tested by Consumer Reports 10 years before. The comparison showed little difference in performance when tested for fuel economy and acceleration. Overall fuel economy of the 2001 model was 40.6 miles per US gallon (5.79 L/100 km; 48.8 mpg-imp) while the 2002 Prius with high mileage delivered 40.4 miles per US gallon (5.82 L/100 km; 48.5 mpg-imp). The magazine concluded that the effectiveness of the battery has not degraded over the long run.[116] The cost of replacing the battery varies between US$2,200 and US$2,600 from a Toyota dealer, but low-use units from salvage yards are available for around US$500.[116] One piece of research indicates it may be worthwhile to rebuild batteries using good blades from defective used batteries.[117]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Prius#Battery_life_cycle
 
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Prius NiMH battery is currently $4,000 + shipping. Along with the initial-purchase premium, it does offset the fuel-saving benefits quite a bit, especially if you keep the car too long so that you have to replace the battery.


What is your agenda in lying?

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As the Prius reached ten years of being available in the U.S. market, in February 2011 Consumer Reports decided to look at the lifetime of the Prius battery and the cost to replace it. The magazine tested a 2002 Toyota Prius with over 200,000 miles on it, and compared the results to the nearly identical 2001 Prius with 2,000 miles tested by Consumer Reports 10 years before. The comparison showed little difference in performance when tested for fuel economy and acceleration. Overall fuel economy of the 2001 model was 40.6 miles per US gallon (5.79 L/100 km; 48.8 mpg-imp) while the 2002 Prius with high mileage delivered 40.4 miles per US gallon (5.82 L/100 km; 48.5 mpg-imp). The magazine concluded that the effectiveness of the battery has not degraded over the long run.[116] The cost of replacing the battery varies between US$2,200 and US$2,600 from a Toyota dealer, but low-use units from salvage yards are available for around US$500.[116] One piece of research indicates it may be worthwhile to rebuild batteries using good blades from defective used batteries.[117]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Prius#Battery_life_cycle

The better question is: What is your agenda in accusing people of lying?

I don't post information about Toyota parts before I check them on the current database first.

Here are the current prices:

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PRIUS 2010 JPP-REGULAR USA

G9510 BATTERY ASSY, HV SUPPLY **510-47060 1 2009.04- ZVW30 -- $4039.82



PRIUS 2010 JPP-PLUG-IN USA

G9510 BATTERY ASSY, HV SUPPLY **510-47070 1 2009.12- ZVW35 $8800.00 $8722.56


This editorial also verifies the $4k price tag on the battery.

I don't know why the price given by Computer Reports is wrong. Note that the Consumer Reports article is outdated. Perhaps they were cheap at one point but then nickel prices spiked.
 
Originally Posted By: Gokhan


I don't post information about Toyota parts before I check them on the current database first.

Here are the current prices:

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PRIUS 2010 JPP-REGULAR USA
G9510 BATTERY ASSY, HV SUPPLY **510-47060 1 2009.04- ZVW30 -- $4039.82 


I don't know what your "database" is but this is online quote for new Prius traction battery: 

BATTERY Prius
MSRP Core ? Online Price
$2,729.35 $1,350.00 [B]$2,183.48[/B]

This is from the the very first OEM supplier that showed up on google search. I'm sure you can find lower if you spend more time.

[URL='http://www.trademotion.com/parts/2010/TOYOTA/PRIUS/?siteid=214001&vehicleid=1444360&section=HYBRID%20COMPONENTS']http://www.trademotion.com/parts/2010/TO...ID%20COMPONENTS[/URL] 

The best part is, defective battery can be fixed DIY for mere $35: [URL='http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toyota-Prius-7-2V-Nimh-HV-Battery-Cells-6-5ah-04-09-hybrid-CELL-/330818759875?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item4d0655acc3']http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toyota-Prius-7-2...=item4d0655acc3[/URL]
 
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: Gokhan


I don't post information about Toyota parts before I check them on the current database first.

Here are the current prices:

Code:
PRIUS 2010 JPP-REGULAR USA
G9510 BATTERY ASSY, HV SUPPLY **510-47060 1 2009.04- ZVW30 -- $4039.82 


I don't know what your "database" is but this is online quote for new Prius traction battery: 

BATTERY Prius
MSRP Core ? Online Price
$2,729.35 $1,350.00 [B]$2,183.48[/B]

This is from the the very first OEM supplier that showed up on google search. I'm sure you can find lower if you spend more time.

[URL='http://www.trademotion.com/parts/2010/TOYOTA/PRIUS/?siteid=214001&vehicleid=1444360&section=HYBRID%20COMPONENTS']http://www.trademotion.com/parts/2010/TO...ID%20COMPONENTS[/URL] 

The best part is, defective battery can be fixed DIY for mere $35: [URL='http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toyota-Prius-7-2V-Nimh-HV-Battery-Cells-6-5ah-04-09-hybrid-CELL-/330818759875?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item4d0655acc3']http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toyota-Prius-7-2...=item4d0655acc3[/URL]

The following sites give good access to Toyota's electronic parts catalog (EPC) database. You can not only get the part nos. and prices but also the diagrams (the latter only on the second site):

[URL]http://www.toyotapartszone.com/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.toyomotorparts.com/[/URL]

The price on that particular Trademotion site actually comes to the same amount but what's hidden on the two sites I linked that directly connect to the EPC is the $1,350 for the core refund. On top of that, the Trademotion site is giving a good discount. However, chances are that the shipping and handling charge will be hefty.
 
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
However, chances are that the shipping and handling charge will be hefty.

You're probably looking at around $200 - $400 for shipping and handling (10% or more) plus whatever it costs you to ship the core (probably more than $100).

If you buy it from the dealer, they will charge you the retail price (if not more, as most dealers do), which is $2,600 (after the core) + tax.

So, you're looking at close to $3,000 plus installation in any scenario. The price I got from the other sites didn't include the core refund -- that's why it was around $4k.

Buying it from a junk yard is a reasonable option, too.
 
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Originally Posted By: lexus114
Originally Posted By: Oldwolf
The oil level was still full, see how the top hole has oil in it. I am happy with my C, I generally get 55-58 mpg commuting to work.



55-58 MILES TO THE GALLON!!!!????? HOLY [censored]!

Yep, that's more than twice what most fuel-efficient cars get.

Are you getting more MPG than the Prius? Is it mostly highway? What's the cruising speed?


Granted that is very good fuel economy, but I'm not sure about the more than twice of what most FE cars get. I regularly get above 41mpgUS in the warmer months on my 09 Corolla. I have been able to get as high as 47mpgUS on more than one occasion.

Now back to the OCI claim thread...
 
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Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Originally Posted By: lexus114
Originally Posted By: Oldwolf
The oil level was still full, see how the top hole has oil in it. I am happy with my C, I generally get 55-58 mpg commuting to work.



55-58 MILES TO THE GALLON!!!!????? HOLY [censored]!

Yep, that's more than twice what most fuel-efficient cars get.

Are you getting more MPG than the Prius? Is it mostly highway? What's the cruising speed?


My Prius Gen2 is averaging about 50 mpg with my wife commuting in it back and forth to work on the interstate, about a 50 miles roundtrip. My commute is about 60 miles round trip. I drive through county highways, 35 mph to 55 mph. My wife drives hers harder than I drive mine I think. They both have very similar 1NZ-XFE engines in them though.
 
Low-speed highways are exceptional -- that's where you get unusually high gas mileage. My 85 Corolla would probably get 45 MPG or so in those conditions.

However, in Los Angeles driving conditions, where you're either driving really fast or it's stop-and-go and you do many small trips as well, typical Prius MPG is in low 40s, according to a friend of mine who has one.

It's good to hear that Prius C is getting more MPG than Prius in real-world conditions. Consumer Reports reported otherwise (with C having slightly lower overall MPG).
 
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Low-speed highways are exceptional -- that's whee you get unusually high gas mileage. My 85 Corolla would probably get 45 MPG or so in those conditions.

However, in Los Angeles driving conditions, where you're either driving really fast or it's stop and go and you do many small trips as well, typical Prius MPG is in low 40s, according to a friend of mine who has one.


I see that a perfectly good thread degenerated into Prius bashing, very typical for BITOG.

Considering MPG as low as 40MPG in prius, it is possible, but rare:

http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/prius/Hatchback/all

Now, saying that Corolla can have MPG as good as Prius is just ridiculous. I actually DO HAVE a 2003 Corolla. Driving in city corolla is 28 MPG vs prius 55 MPG (almost exactly double MPG). Hwy @75 MPH corolla is 33 MPG vs prius 48 MPG.

You can clearly see it here:
http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/corolla
 
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Low-speed highways are exceptional -- that's whee you get unusually high gas mileage. My 85 Corolla would probably get 45 MPG or so in those conditions.

However, in Los Angeles driving conditions, where you're either driving really fast or it's stop and go and you do many small trips as well, typical Prius MPG is in low 40s, according to a friend of mine who has one.


I see that a perfectly good thread degenerated into Prius bashing, very typical for BITOG.

Considering MPG as low as 40MPG in prius, it is possible, but rare:

http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/prius/Hatchback/all

Now, saying that Corolla can have MPG as good as Prius is just ridiculous. I actually DO HAVE a 2003 Corolla. Driving in city corolla is 28 MPG vs prius 55 MPG (almost exactly double MPG). Hwy @75 MPH corolla is 33 MPG vs prius 48 MPG.

You can clearly see it here:
http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/corolla

I never said that. My 1985 Corolla gets in the mid- to high- 20s in LA driving conditions, about 27 - 28 MPG on the average. I got about the same when I had a 2009 Corolla. I was talking about rural highways with smooth pavings and low speeds.

Another thing that lowers the MPG in LA is that the freeway pavings are intentionally very rough for better braking, with a lot of small grooves, which lowers the MPG quite a bit.
 
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Low-speed highways are exceptional -- that's whee you get unusually high gas mileage. My 85 Corolla would probably get 45 MPG or so in those conditions.


I see that a perfectly good thread degenerated into Prius bashing, very typical for BITOG.


It's a fair comment about low speed highway driving though (35 to 50 MPH). That's pretty much optimal MPG conditions for most cars. I did a 200 mile return trip on roads like this about a month back and was amazed to see I'd averaged over 60 MPG for the trip. (2005 Prius).

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I actually DO HAVE a 2003 Corolla. Driving in city corolla is 28 MPG vs prius 55 MPG (almost exactly double MPG). Hwy @75 MPH corolla is 33 MPG vs prius 48 MPG.
Those figures are pretty much in line with what I've seen too jacek.
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Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Originally Posted By: lexus114
Originally Posted By: Oldwolf
The oil level was still full, see how the top hole has oil in it. I am happy with my C, I generally get 55-58 mpg commuting to work.



55-58 MILES TO THE GALLON!!!!????? HOLY [censored]!

Yep, that's more than twice what most fuel-efficient cars get.

Are you getting more MPG than the Prius? Is it mostly highway? What's the cruising speed?


My old Volvo diesel can do 55mpg!
 
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