My 2002 Civic is specced for 10k/5k on normal/severe. Based on conventional, what do you think of that?
Toyota claims 10K Synth vs 5K Conv
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My 1985 Corolla specifies 10k/5k with API SF dino for normal/severe operating, respectively. Go figure.
Originally Posted By: randomhero439
My 2002 Civic is specced for 10k/5k on normal/severe. Based on conventional, what do you think of that?
I'm surprised they felt 10K was OK for conventional. That's only 10 years ago too, so it's fairly recent. Not too many Honda engines falling out of the car either.
Maybe I should get myself some SH rated conventional, wind it out to fifteen thousand and spend the rest of my time in the General/Off-Topic area.
My 2002 Civic is specced for 10k/5k on normal/severe. Based on conventional, what do you think of that?
I'm surprised they felt 10K was OK for conventional. That's only 10 years ago too, so it's fairly recent. Not too many Honda engines falling out of the car either.
Maybe I should get myself some SH rated conventional, wind it out to fifteen thousand and spend the rest of my time in the General/Off-Topic area.
Originally Posted By: randomhero439
Originally Posted By: RTexasF
Odd that they left out the 2.5l four banger in the RAV4 , it is standard with 0W20 I believe. The RAV4 V-6 is not.....5W30 every 6 months or 5K..
Probably because its a heavier vehicle with a weak 4-cylinder. The V6 doesnt have to work as hard so it can fall into the 10k interval. Engine has to work harder to accelerate, therefore oil has to work harder
Perhaps I didn't state it clearly....the four banger IS rated for 10K/1 year OCI with 0W20 Toyota goodness. The V-6 is 5W30 only and 5K OCI/6 months regardless if syn or not. It is the exact opposite of what you surmised.
Originally Posted By: RTexasF
Odd that they left out the 2.5l four banger in the RAV4 , it is standard with 0W20 I believe. The RAV4 V-6 is not.....5W30 every 6 months or 5K..
Probably because its a heavier vehicle with a weak 4-cylinder. The V6 doesnt have to work as hard so it can fall into the 10k interval. Engine has to work harder to accelerate, therefore oil has to work harder
Perhaps I didn't state it clearly....the four banger IS rated for 10K/1 year OCI with 0W20 Toyota goodness. The V-6 is 5W30 only and 5K OCI/6 months regardless if syn or not. It is the exact opposite of what you surmised.
Originally Posted By: RTexasF
Originally Posted By: randomhero439
Originally Posted By: RTexasF
Odd that they left out the 2.5l four banger in the RAV4 , it is standard with 0W20 I believe. The RAV4 V-6 is not.....5W30 every 6 months or 5K..
Probably because its a heavier vehicle with a weak 4-cylinder. The V6 doesnt have to work as hard so it can fall into the 10k interval. Engine has to work harder to accelerate, therefore oil has to work harder
Perhaps I didn't state it clearly....the four banger IS rated for 10K/1 year OCI with 0W20 Toyota goodness. The V-6 is 5W30 only and 5K OCI/6 months regardless if syn or not. It is the exact opposite of what you surmised.
Oh i see, well that is strange isnt it. The V6 must be hard on oil
Originally Posted By: randomhero439
Originally Posted By: RTexasF
Odd that they left out the 2.5l four banger in the RAV4 , it is standard with 0W20 I believe. The RAV4 V-6 is not.....5W30 every 6 months or 5K..
Probably because its a heavier vehicle with a weak 4-cylinder. The V6 doesnt have to work as hard so it can fall into the 10k interval. Engine has to work harder to accelerate, therefore oil has to work harder
Perhaps I didn't state it clearly....the four banger IS rated for 10K/1 year OCI with 0W20 Toyota goodness. The V-6 is 5W30 only and 5K OCI/6 months regardless if syn or not. It is the exact opposite of what you surmised.
Oh i see, well that is strange isnt it. The V6 must be hard on oil
Originally Posted By: randomhero439
Oh i see, well that is strange isnt it. The V6 must be hard on oil
It's probably an older engine design. The default engine in Toyotas is usually a newer design and they throw in a bigger but older engine for the small number of folks seeking more power. It's the same deal with the regular Corolla vs. Corolla XRS.
Oh i see, well that is strange isnt it. The V6 must be hard on oil
It's probably an older engine design. The default engine in Toyotas is usually a newer design and they throw in a bigger but older engine for the small number of folks seeking more power. It's the same deal with the regular Corolla vs. Corolla XRS.
I still vote for a UOA when attempting to go 10k on ANY oil, regardless of what the manufacturer says. If the UOA confirms that 10k is ok, proceed to use that oil and interval for the life of the car.
My 06 Scion tc with the 2.4L Camry engine burned 3 quarts of oil in a 10k interval with synthetic. The sump only holds 4 quarts!!! had i not been adding oil during the entire run, you'd see a thread about how my engine failed after only 7,000 miles of a planned 10k OCI...
My 06 Scion tc with the 2.4L Camry engine burned 3 quarts of oil in a 10k interval with synthetic. The sump only holds 4 quarts!!! had i not been adding oil during the entire run, you'd see a thread about how my engine failed after only 7,000 miles of a planned 10k OCI...
We just bought a new 2013 Toyota Prius after Hurricane Sandy totaled our old cars. Maintenance Guide states to change the engine oil and filter at 5,000 miles/6 months ONLY for repeated trips less of than 5 miles in temps below 32F/0c. Otherwise it's 10,000k/12 months. Living in balmy northern New Jersey I'm sure Toyota synthetic 0W-20/30 can be streched to 10K. Unfortunately, I cannot break my bad habit of letting my cars go 6 months without a change (just on principle). I want to keep our Prius a long time so I will be doing a 5K/6 month OC with either M1 or PP. Maybe I'm just a "Serial Oil Changer" at heart. So sue me!
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Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Originally Posted By: randomhero439
Oh i see, well that is strange isnt it. The V6 must be hard on oil
It's probably an older engine design. The default engine in Toyotas is usually a newer design and they throw in a bigger but older engine for the small number of folks seeking more power. It's the same deal with the regular Corolla vs. Corolla XRS.
No, it's the same engine as in Sienna, Camry, Avalon, Highlander, and many Lexus models. My take is there were too few V6 RAV4 sold to have it tested with 0W20. It's being discontinued in RAV4 too (too fast and powerful for it's price).
Originally Posted By: randomhero439
Oh i see, well that is strange isnt it. The V6 must be hard on oil
It's probably an older engine design. The default engine in Toyotas is usually a newer design and they throw in a bigger but older engine for the small number of folks seeking more power. It's the same deal with the regular Corolla vs. Corolla XRS.
No, it's the same engine as in Sienna, Camry, Avalon, Highlander, and many Lexus models. My take is there were too few V6 RAV4 sold to have it tested with 0W20. It's being discontinued in RAV4 too (too fast and powerful for it's price).
Originally Posted By: Redpatches
I want to keep our Prius a long time so I will be doing a 5K/6 month OC with either M1 or PP. Maybe I'm just a "Serial Oil Changer" at heart. So sue me!
You know, OCD can be cured with right meds. Congrats on the new ride.
I want to keep our Prius a long time so I will be doing a 5K/6 month OC with either M1 or PP. Maybe I'm just a "Serial Oil Changer" at heart. So sue me!
You know, OCD can be cured with right meds. Congrats on the new ride.
Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
Originally Posted By: Indydriver
My 2012 V6 Sienna rarely exceeds 3000 rpm. It is neither DI nor turbo. I didn't test the oil before the dealer changed it at 9300 but it looked a LOT healthier than 3000 mile oil in my MS3.
One really interesting note in the owners manual (apparently they've been watching Honda Odyssey VCMs!) is what they consider "normal" oil consumption: 1liter/1000km!!! That's 1.05 qts/621 miles for those of you in Rosalinda.
Most people with oil leaks don't even see that level of consumption. I should know...I'm one of them.
Wow even my now departed Aerostar with the rotted oil pan, and lead flashing patch I had holding it together didn't use that much oil!
Maybe Toyota needs to recommend the lead flashing patch on vehicles experiencing a high rate of consumption.
Actually the person mentioning the high consumption mentioned a Honda. Maybe Honda should look into it the lead flashing then. lol
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
Originally Posted By: Indydriver
My 2012 V6 Sienna rarely exceeds 3000 rpm. It is neither DI nor turbo. I didn't test the oil before the dealer changed it at 9300 but it looked a LOT healthier than 3000 mile oil in my MS3.
One really interesting note in the owners manual (apparently they've been watching Honda Odyssey VCMs!) is what they consider "normal" oil consumption: 1liter/1000km!!! That's 1.05 qts/621 miles for those of you in Rosalinda.
Most people with oil leaks don't even see that level of consumption. I should know...I'm one of them.
Wow even my now departed Aerostar with the rotted oil pan, and lead flashing patch I had holding it together didn't use that much oil!
Maybe Toyota needs to recommend the lead flashing patch on vehicles experiencing a high rate of consumption.
Actually the person mentioning the high consumption mentioned a Honda. Maybe Honda should look into it the lead flashing then. lol
Thanks. We needed the Prius's 50MPG to balance out the 16MPG of our other replacement car (2007 Honda Odyssey). Both are fine cars and look forward to keeping them running many years
(Barring hurricanes/floods of course)
(Barring hurricanes/floods of course)
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Actually the person mentioning the high consumption mentioned a Honda. Maybe Honda should look into it the lead flashing then. lol
They should issue a Technical Service Bulletin for it lol.
Actually the person mentioning the high consumption mentioned a Honda. Maybe Honda should look into it the lead flashing then. lol
They should issue a Technical Service Bulletin for it lol.
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Originally Posted By: randomhero439
Oh i see, well that is strange isnt it. The V6 must be hard on oil
It's probably an older engine design. The default engine in Toyotas is usually a newer design and they throw in a bigger but older engine for the small number of folks seeking more power. It's the same deal with the regular Corolla vs. Corolla XRS.
No, it's the same engine as in Sienna, Camry, Avalon, Highlander, and many Lexus models. My take is there were too few V6 RAV4 sold to have it tested with 0W20. It's being discontinued in RAV4 too (too fast and powerful for it's price).
That doesn't mean it's one of Toyota's latest engine designs. In which year was it introduced? Most Toyota 0W-20 engines were introduced after 2009, except for the Prius.
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Originally Posted By: randomhero439
Oh i see, well that is strange isnt it. The V6 must be hard on oil
It's probably an older engine design. The default engine in Toyotas is usually a newer design and they throw in a bigger but older engine for the small number of folks seeking more power. It's the same deal with the regular Corolla vs. Corolla XRS.
No, it's the same engine as in Sienna, Camry, Avalon, Highlander, and many Lexus models. My take is there were too few V6 RAV4 sold to have it tested with 0W20. It's being discontinued in RAV4 too (too fast and powerful for it's price).
That doesn't mean it's one of Toyota's latest engine designs. In which year was it introduced? Most Toyota 0W-20 engines were introduced after 2009, except for the Prius.
Just a comment in defense of T's drivetrain (this is my first Toy since the wonderful RWD '85 Corolla GTS w/MR2 "zinger" engine), the Sienna V6 is smooth and torquey and the six speed trans is a revelation. I didn't even cross-shop Hondas due to VCM. Very, very happy with this vehicle. Great functionality, great on the highway and pretty good looking for a minivan. If you're shopping this vehicle, just avoid the 4WD models and you can't miss.
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I do encounter colder temps in the winter from time to time sometimes as low as -40F (-40C) on a rare cold snap, but most of winter is spent hovering around 32F (0C) and a little colder. My driving is always always more than 5 miles (8km) it is seldom less than 35miles at a time as I live in rural but paved community. I also travel at 55mph (90km/hr) more than 90% of my commutes.
So my oil gets up to temp every start, every time. I drive low engine speeds, hardly any stop and go. So...Is my usage even close to severe?
I guess I am just a little timid as to mess up a good thing as well being that I get exceptional fuel economy and do not burn a drop of oil, I wouldn't want to extend my interval if it meant either of those things were compromised.
So my oil gets up to temp every start, every time. I drive low engine speeds, hardly any stop and go. So...Is my usage even close to severe?
I guess I am just a little timid as to mess up a good thing as well being that I get exceptional fuel economy and do not burn a drop of oil, I wouldn't want to extend my interval if it meant either of those things were compromised.
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Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
Can we extend this declaration to most light-duty vehicles in general?
my short answer is absolutely not, not even toyota should be making this general statement. if you value your vehicle push it to 5k max for dino and 7k for synthetic unless you prove it with your own UOA.
i will not follow it with our 2011 sienna, it will get a steady diet of whatever 5w20 or 5w30 half quarts happens to be on the shelf.
Can we extend this declaration to most light-duty vehicles in general?
my short answer is absolutely not, not even toyota should be making this general statement. if you value your vehicle push it to 5k max for dino and 7k for synthetic unless you prove it with your own UOA.
i will not follow it with our 2011 sienna, it will get a steady diet of whatever 5w20 or 5w30 half quarts happens to be on the shelf.
Originally Posted By: bigjl
Originally Posted By: theaveng
For the Prius they said the battery would last the life of the car. They then admitted that's 300,000 kilometers or 180,000 miles.
And as far as Prius battery packs giving up the ghost at 180k
Didn't say that. Neither did the Toyota.
Oh and yes Honda Insights have had battery problems with the 5-speed manuals. Drivers have a bad habit of staying in 5th instead of shifting, while climbing uphill, and that kills the battery quickly. Honda was forced via classaction lawsuit to extended the warranty to 156,000 miles/10 years.
Originally Posted By: theaveng
For the Prius they said the battery would last the life of the car. They then admitted that's 300,000 kilometers or 180,000 miles.
And as far as Prius battery packs giving up the ghost at 180k
Didn't say that. Neither did the Toyota.
Oh and yes Honda Insights have had battery problems with the 5-speed manuals. Drivers have a bad habit of staying in 5th instead of shifting, while climbing uphill, and that kills the battery quickly. Honda was forced via classaction lawsuit to extended the warranty to 156,000 miles/10 years.
Prius NiMH battery is currently $4,000 + shipping. Along with the initial-purchase premium, it does offset the fuel-saving benefits quite a bit, especially if you keep the car too long so that you have to replace the battery.
The Li-ion battery for the plug-in is $8,700 + shipping.
The Li-ion battery for the plug-in is $8,700 + shipping.
The good thing about Honda hybrids is you can still drive them even with a bad battery. It's just like a standard car then. The same is not true with Prius or Volt.
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