Thinking of HPL 10w-30 NO VII for Dakota

[53' Stude]

What I don't follow is what is gained from using a HDMO (diesel) vs. a standard gas oil? Is it just the perceived value of "heavy duty" or the higher winter ratings/viscosity of these oils in general?

All I am saying period end of discussion is it works for WWilson and I. Don’t like it; dunno what to say.

Done playing games on the subject. Reason I chose it is cause it has tremendous TBN retention, cold flow performance. As stated to above mod: I don’t really have or hold faith in most off the shelf oils. Their TBN starting points vary, and they are always changing whenever they want.

 

[JHZR2]

Well, we shall just have to disagree to an extent. I see you didn’t mention why WWilson uses HDEO oils either. Obviously he knows they work. If I care to use a “niche” product that does what it says; that’s my choice.

I’m not sure why you bring Wayne into this. Is he the world expert? The only opinion in all the world that matters? Is he the first person who has used HDEO in a gas engine? I’ve known Wayne a long time, and have a ton of respect for him and how he runs the site, but the answer to all of that is no.

So the fact that you bring one person’s opinion into the mix and then try to call me out on is is just laughable. There are good rationale points to using HDEO universally; we’ve been discussing that literally for over 20 years. And there are reasons why one may not necessarily care to.

So now it’s using a niche product that does what it says? I thought before you had very specific technical opinions on why this was a good option for your obsolete engines. Im more confused than ever. Again, use what you want. It’s your money. You are the one who specifically asked for thoughts on using an advanced oil in an obsolete engine. You get some and then your the comments and rationale that are curious/dubious. Your TBN metric is more than likely a non issue unless your engines have some problem or you’re running some odd high sulfur fuel. So is it tbn? Vii? What’s the problem you’re actually trying to solve based upon objective evidence??? Especially for the engines you mention. The fact that world class oil formulators vary their formulations and TBNs is not really an issue.

I’m done wasting time on a silly thread.

 

[cptbarkey]

@53' Stude
1st: If you are searching for a reason, this would be an excellent oil to use for 3-5 years and no need to change the oil (assuming <15k miles with no UOA monitoring). That could justify the cost.
2nd: You are essentially giving it the best oil produced in the USA.
3rd: You also do not need to justify your decisions to anyone. Do it because you want to. Simple enough.

 

[53' Stude]

@53' Stude
1st: If you are searching for a reason, this would be an excellent oil to use for 3-5 years and no need to change the oil (assuming <15k miles with no UOA monitoring). That could justify the cost.
2nd: You are essentially giving it the best oil produced in the USA.
3rd: You also do not need to justify your decisions to anyone. Do it because you want to. Simple enough.

Maybe a certain “moderator” needs told this.

I don’t care I support a small company like HPL as I’m free to.

 

[Wireman1987]

What are your thoughts of using the HPL 10w-30 “euro” NO VII oil in my 02’ 3.9 pushrod v-6?

I can run their CK-4 5w-30 in focus

Thank You

I don’t like the idea. I like Walmart or local store specials better

 

[JHZR2]

@53' Stude
1st: If you are searching for a reason, this would be an excellent oil to use for 3-5 years and no need to change the oil (assuming <15k miles with no UOA monitoring). That could justify the cost.
2nd: You are essentially giving it the best oil produced in the USA.
3rd: You also do not need to justify your decisions to anyone. Do it because you want to. Simple enough.

Precisely. Those would be rationale that would make sense.

Maybe a certain “moderator” needs told this.

I don’t care I support a small company like HPL as I’m free to.

Tell me what? You asked for opinions. And you have yet to define consistently the problem you’re wanting to solve. Now it went from “concerns” about its oils to the interest in supporting a small company? Ok. Great. A month ago it was pondering the same thing.

Thread 'You pick it I’ll run it: oil for 02’ Dakota'

Jun 18, 2025

Good evening folks. As I sit here watching a thunderstorm; pondering which oil to run next in the 02’ Dakota. Have Valvoline R&P 5w30, frankenblend of Valvoline Advanced 5w30, R&P 5w30 and HPL 10w20 NO VII and quart HPL WC-30 brew. Or some 07’ era Rotella 15w40 or 80’s or 90’s Delvac 15w40.

• 53' Stude
• Replies: 21
• Forum: Passenger Car Motor Oil (PCMO) - Gasoline Vehicles

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For the umpteenth time - use what you want, it’s your money. But don’t try to make it out to be some technical matter that then you’re always changing.

I’m glad you’re running HPL and supporting a great business.

 

[53' Stude]

Precisely. Those would be rationale that would make sense.



Tell me what? You asked for opinions. And you have yet to define consistently the problem you’re wanting to solve. Now it went from “concerns” about its oils to the interest in supporting a small company? Ok. Great. A month ago it was pondering the same thing.

Thread 'You pick it I’ll run it: oil for 02’ Dakota'

Jun 18, 2025

Good evening folks. As I sit here watching a thunderstorm; pondering which oil to run next in the 02’ Dakota. Have Valvoline R&P 5w30, frankenblend of Valvoline Advanced 5w30, R&P 5w30 and HPL 10w20 NO VII and quart HPL WC-30 brew. Or some 07’ era Rotella 15w40 or 80’s or 90’s Delvac 15w40.

• 53' Stude
• Replies: 21
• Forum: Passenger Car Motor Oil (PCMO) - Gasoline Vehicles

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For the umpteenth time - use what you want, it’s your money. But don’t try to make it out to be some technical matter that then you’re always changing.

I’m glad you’re running HPL and supporting a great business.

This was never a technical matter to begin with. I was asking questions. From here on out I’ll PM knowledgeable folks with questions. I DO NOT need to justify anything to YOU or anyone. So please be nice and not mean to me and please don’t pick on my choice.

Bye

 

[oil pan 4]

I’ll take the “moderators” “words” as just that. Truck is 23, NOT 30 years old Chris. Since owners manual spec’d 5w30 0F-100F just was thinking why am I using a 5w-30 year round in it.

And to JHZR2: since I can afford such things I sure as heavens don’t want to run basic off shelf stuff in it. I saw what WWilson did with his vehicles and WXTENDED OCI’s.

I only live once like we all do.

I use 5w-30 in my dodge Dakota for once a year oil changes. Gets about -10f to 110F here.

 

[TiGeo]

All I am saying period end of discussion is it works for WWilson and I. Don’t like it; dunno what to say.

Done playing games on the subject. Reason I chose it is cause it has tremendous TBN retention, cold flow performance. As stated to above mod: I don’t really have or hold faith in most off the shelf oils. Their TBN starting points vary, and they are always changing whenever they want.

I wasn't being a jerk. I'm genuinely curious in general why folks go with HDMOs in gas engines. It's just a convo not a judgment. It's a discussion forum.

 

[cheesepuffs2]

What I don't follow is what is gained from using a HDMO (diesel) vs. a standard gas oil? Is it just the perceived value of "heavy duty" or the higher winter ratings/viscosity of these oils in general?

Gosh, I wish there was a sticky about this already. This seems to stem from the years-old trope that Rotella was a magical elixir that was somehow superior to all gasoline engine oil options.

 

[53' Stude]

Gosh, I wish there was a sticky about this already. This seems to stem from the years-old trope that Rotella was a magical elixir that was somehow superior to all gasoline engine oil options.

That’s not the reason at all. I know that from reading some of WWilsons UOA’s that they do the job. That is all.

 

[53' Stude]

I wasn't being a jerk. I'm genuinely curious in general why folks go with HDMOs in gas engines. It's just a convo not a judgment. It's a discussion forum.

Oh I understand. I was not saying you were being a jerk. I’m just sick and tired of people second guessing my oil choice and or saying “why are you using a HDEO?”


Gets real old real fast. No one says squat about WWilson using a HDEO in his Durango or Charger.

 

[OVERKILL]

Oh I understand. I was not saying you were being a jerk. I’m just sick and tired of people second guessing my oil choice and or saying “why are you using a HDEO?”


Gets real old real fast. No one says squat about WWilson using a HDEO in his Durango or Charger.

I think the issue stems from you changing oil choice in this vehicle several times now (as @JHZR2 has pointed out) which leads to some confusion as to what the actual end goal is.

We can discuss the merits of different oils in perpetuity, is that the intent, just to discuss? Or is it to arrive at consensus on product choice, and if so, then why change it up so many times? That's what leads to questions like @JHZR2 asked. I don't see him as being rude, simply trying to establish what the end game is here.

If I can offer up a word of advise: Don't be so quick to get offended. The tone of the written word is often improperly inferred. Being direct in tabling a legitimate question isn't the same as being rude and I think that's been a problem in this thread. Take a step back, take a breath, and then come back with a clear head and consider, without the frustration, what really has been asked and what really has been said. I think you'll find that the reaction was unwarranted.

 

[Jetronic]

What I don't follow is what is gained from using a HDMO (diesel) vs. a standard gas oil? Is it just the perceived value of "heavy duty" or the higher winter ratings/viscosity of these oils in general?

I guess it made some sense when A3/B4 oils weren't readily available, but how long ago was that?

EDIT: and it makes sense if you want one oil to do it all, and you have a HD engine in the fleet

 

[53' Stude]

I think the issue stems from you changing oil choice in this vehicle several times now (as @JHZR2 has pointed out) which leads to some confusion as to what the actual end goal is.

We can discuss the merits of different oils in perpetuity, is that the intent, just to discuss? Or is it to arrive at consensus on product choice, and if so, then why change it up so many times? That's what leads to questions like @JHZR2 asked. I don't see him as being rude, simply trying to establish what the end game is here.

If I can offer up a word of advise: Don't be so quick to get offended. The tone of the written word is often improperly inferred. Being direct in tabling a legitimate question isn't the same as being rude and I think that's been a problem in this thread. Take a step back, take a breath, and then come back with a clear head and consider, without the frustration, what really has been asked and what really has been said. I think you'll find that the reaction was unwarranted.

I see your point OVERKILL. I wasn’t trying to confuse anyone. I’ve just found a great oil that works, so I’ll continue. Thank You. Sorry if I confused JHZR2 and others. BITOG is addicting and a fun group.

 

[oil pan 4]

Heck, looks like it came from a Briggs & Stratton manual

No lies detected.

 

[53' Stude]

No lies detected.

And 4WD OWNS MOPARS

 

[Plumb Bob]

No lies detected.

The Canadian version of the manual features two arrows: MOW to the right and NO MOW to the left.