No idea what the obsession with using diesel oils in gas engines. BROTELLA!
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What’s the big deal? WWilson used it in I believe his Durango with no issues. It’s not taboo; I know lots of friends that use HDEO in their vehicles.
I see no reason to use the HD diesel oils when so many solid gasser oils exist. It's like the Rotella for the Subaru and tuner car folks - why when you can just run M1 40 grade Euros and have a far more robust and appropriate additive package for the use. Whatever floats folks' boats...it's BITOG! It's not like you can't use them - I wasn't saying that.
It seems like such a simple thing to just revamp a website to allow the full spectrum of products available and options and yes, I think more consumer sales would be reeped. I only order the Euro 5W40 so no real drama here and just use the site. I point folks to them a lot on other social platforms and I always make sure I explain how the ordering works (HPL through Advanced Lubrication and not the red HPL blah blah blah). I also wish they put the clear slide "window" on their jugs to make part pours easier vs. using a cardboard dipstick/sharpie/tape meaure to figure out the level of my gallon jugs
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Tella bro about brotella ...
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I'm currently running their HD5W40CK4 currently in my daily driver over 5K so far with no issues. Given the recent events in California, driving through windy, ashy, dust storms throughout this week & various dusty construction site visits throughout the months. I'm thinking of sampling the oil soon to check how the oil and engine is holding up, pretty sure its fine.
And oh its kinda funny how my oil filler cap is printed "API SL" instead of the newer SN / SP found on newer cars.
I use a cheap walmart Mainstay plastic quart measuring pitcher to pour in measured quantities.
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I don't think it's a big deal, he's just pointing out the hype over HDEO's, where the "Brotella" manifestation is probably the most readily observable example. It foams like crazy and really isn't a great oil, but because it's "Heavy Duty" there are folks that believe, with every fibre of their being, that it's the bees knees.
Ultimately, your bog-standard HDEO's (like Rotella) and full-SAPS Euro oils are not designed, or tested, for the same applications. That doesn't mean that the HDEO is bad, or not a good option, but it does mean that the Euro oil has more proof of being good, in terms of a minimum standard set by OE approvals and test protocols, in gas applications.
Is it the rotella synblend gray jug stuff that foams? I haven’t had issue with T5 yet in the Dakota
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Yeah, think it's the T5 that was tested (and foamed like mad). I don't think you'd have an issue; I don't know how you'd know it was foaming in your engine anyway.
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Oh gosh, the red HPL versus Advanced Lubrication thing too... People on here months ago were telling me how that is not actually confusing at all.It seems like such a simple thing to just revamp a website to allow the full spectrum of products available and options and yes, I think more consumer sales would be reeped. I only order the Euro 5W40 so no real drama here and just use the site. I point folks to them a lot on other social platforms and I always make sure I explain how the ordering works (HPL through Advanced Lubrication and not the red HPL blah blah blah). I also wish they put the clear slide "window" on their jugs to make part pours easier vs. using a cardboard dipstick/sharpie/tape meaure to figure out the level of my gallon jugs
If online shopping has to be explained to new customers, then it's too confusing. The point of e-commerce is to be intuitive and quick to use.Maybe you can explain this Speed thing, so a CK-4 specked oil is only 4 lower speeds, at what speed do we need to go to a Euro Oil?
The CK-4 spec is going to be more Shear Resistant than the Euro Spec, the tests you talk about mean nothing to me. The OP in this Thread is going with a CK-4 specked oil.
When my stash of oil is used up, I will be going to a CK-4 oil from HPL for my Vehicle. I already got there 10W-40 CK-4 oil for my Riding Mower, I am betting that it will be just as good or better than the Shell Rotella T4 10W-30 that I used 4 the 1st 50 hours.
There is a Moderator on this board that is using a CK-4 specked oil from HPL, and his engine is not specked for this oil. He is not using a Euro specked oil from HPL or the PCMO Oil from HPL.
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Oh gosh, the red HPL versus Advanced Lubrication thing too... People on here months ago were telling me how that is not actually confusing at all.
HPL and Advanced Lubrication use the same physical address yet there's the two-step shuffle to buy through Shopify.
Red HPL has oil you buy directly through their website through Shopify.
There's a physical wall in my garage I directly bang my head against.
The explanation is in the post you quoted.
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I don't know what your issue is, but honestly if HPL or their buying process confuses you beyond an initial "here's what you need to know", then perhaps changing your oil or other maintenance should be left to professionals?
Nothing about this should require head-against-the-wall
I don't know what your issue is, but honestly if HPL or their buying process confuses you beyond an initial "here's what you need to know", then perhaps changing your oil or other maintenance should be left to professionals?
Nothing about this should require head-against-the-wall
I can't say I'm a fan of 'we do it this way because we've always done it this way. Get used to it' when 'this way' is dumb as rocks. I realize the companies aren't going to change, just voicing my opinion in an online forum like people are wont to do.
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You've long blown past "voicing your opinion". You left like what, 9 posts on this subject in this thread alone, including phrases like "secret handshake", "cool people", "banging head against the wall", "dumb as rocks". If you're not a customer, just move along, if you are a customer then by now you should know how it works.
Voicing your opinion would be one or two posts for clarification. At this point it just looks like you have an axe to grind.
There are good people on the receiving end of your "nice" messages. People who are happy to answer questions, and work hard to give you the best deal and service you can find, with some of the best oil on the market. If you really want to help them, a polite email explaining any issues you ran into would be a lot more effective.
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I feel the same way. Especially in this day and age, it's needlessly clumsy.
I would caution that stifling opposing points of view can lead to a forum becoming an echo-chamber.
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Diesel engines do not operate at the same engine speeds as gasoline engines. Your typical HD truck engine is spinning 1,500-2,500RPM, your typical Euro car engine can be spinning north of 7,000RPM when being flogged. This is where things like foaming (where the Rotella T5 bombed the test) are relevant.
Based on what? HDEO's shear, have you spent any time in the diesel oil section?
Valvoline Premium Blue Extreme 5W-40, started at 15.3cSt, ended up at 13.5cSt
Valvoline Premium Blue Extreme 5W-40, started at 15.3cSt, ended up at 11.4cSt (there is also Rotella and Delo there, at 12.3 and 11.9cSt respectively)
Viscosity retention (shear resistance) is one of the parameters for many of the Euro OE approvals.
Speaking specifically of HPL, the 5W-40 Euro oil is going to be no less shear resistant than their 5W-40 HDEO.
While gasoline engine tests on gasoline engine oil may mean nothing to you, how an oil performs in a BMW N52 engine test is certainly more relevant than how it is going to perform in a Cummins ISL, if the oil is being used in a BMW N52 engine.
Adam can go with whatever he likes, you made a statement, I've asked you to qualify it, so far, you have not.
What you choose to do with your equipment doesn't answer the question I've posed to you.
Yes, Wayne, who I consider a friend of mine, ran a CK-4 built specifically for him, in his Dodge Durango. Just like I'm running a full-SAPS Euro oil that was blended for me in my RAM 1500, both oils from HPL. Wayne prefers the CK-4 additive package and I'm sure has his reasons, I prefer a full-SAPS Euro additive package and I've shared my reasons with you here, in that the test protocols for the Euro approvals are more germane to the actual end use than for an HDEO.
Again, that doesn't make an HDEO a bad oil or a bad choice, but it does mean there is considerably more evidence, in the form of approvals (and their associated tests) for the Euro oil in terms of actual performance in a gasoline engine application.
My replies are just that, replies in a conversation with various members. I assume unless their name is Dave they are forum members not HPL employees or representatives. Maybe I've been 'talking' with some without knowing it. If I've hurt someone's feelings I would apologize but I've been criticizing a process not a person nor a product. I realize this is a members only forum and not the curb of main street USA as far as freedom of speech goes but I don't think I've harmed or libeled HPL so I don't feel any guilt about it.
If anything the more posts there are about this the more HPL's name is out there, as well as more posts on how to find what you want from HPL - which is the complaint. If you've been offended that I've complained and clarified about how a company has set up their website I don't know what else to tell you. So I'll end it with that.
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