please explain to me all the FRAM hating! - why?

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Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: jfking106
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: jfking106
Where did "Jay" say they didn't cut it open?


This was what Mullick2001 quoted from Jay:

The response I got from jay.

"Here are the only pictures I can get. They didn’t even bother to cut open the filter as they seem to agree that the dent stressed the leaf and that’s it. If you want to post a few of these, it is fine by me."


Where is "Jay's" quote, then? All I saw was pictures of an unopened, dented filter. So we're supposed to take the word of someone who went on a crazy rant over a defective part, even after the company gave him six free replacements? Or the person who thinks said pictures of the unopened filter proves they never opened it?

The point is I'm annoyed with the sheep-like, mob mentality that some people seem prone to. I don't work for Fram, don't have stock, don't have family working for them by the way. I use their filters if they're in front of me when I buy oil, use others when not. So, I'm not white-knighting for Fram. I'm just as annoyed with the sheep-like, mob mentality of the never-ending Pennzoil Ultra UOA's. Really, we another 50 of those?




Yeah, next thing we know this guy will be making jokes about ur mom this and ur mom that again.
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have some questions for KCJeep - I have been using an XG3600 on the Lexus, thinking of going to the XG8A for more filter volume.

1. do you think it will work?

2. do you feel an XG3600 is better constructed than a XG8A?

3. which one has better flow rate?
 
There was a CR test of oil filters way back in the 'eighties and the basic Fram showed really good filtration, while the Japanese OEM filters looked more like rock catchers.
Based upon this, I used Frams as a matter of preference for a good twenty years.
As things are now, I've gotten such great deals on Puro Classic, P1, D+ and K&N oil filters that I have enough of a filter stash going to not worry about what to buy next for a few years.
I'd not hesitate to use a Fram orange can again at the right price, since I never had a problem with them.
Most of the Fram bashing you see here is the result of people merely repeating what they've read here.
With a little digging, one could probably find the grandaddy of all Fram threads on BITOG, with the substance of the thread's starting post repeated ever after.
 
Originally Posted By: LScowboy
have some questions for KCJeep - I have been using an XG3600 on the Lexus, thinking of going to the XG8A for more filter volume.

1. do you think it will work?

2. do you feel an XG3600 is better constructed than a XG8A?

3. which one has better flow rate?


You're comparing an XG to an XG. The XG3600 is already almost 5" long. How big of a filter do you need? Which one, if either, is specified by FRAM for your car?

The XG8A is over 3/4" larger in diameter ... you may not have room on the mounting base for it anyway.

Both filters will flow WAY more than your engine's oil pump can ever put out.

http://www.framcatalog.com/PartDetail.aspx?b=F&pn=XG8A

http://www.framcatalog.com/PartDetail.aspx?b=F&pn=XG3600
 
Originally Posted By: threeputtpar
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter




Yeah, next thing we know this guy will be making jokes about ur mom this and ur mom that again.
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Threeputtpar, you're not referring to me, are you?
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Originally Posted By: LScowboy
have some questions for KCJeep - I have been using an XG3600 on the Lexus, thinking of going to the XG8A for more filter volume.

1. do you think it will work?

2. do you feel an XG3600 is better constructed than a XG8A?

3. which one has better flow rate?


1) It will "work" just fine if you have room. I don't know that you'd be gaining anything, in fact the more I mess with these filters the more I tend towards the 3600's and similar.

2) No. While there is a definite difference between those two in the orange cans and even a bit of difference in the Tough Guards, IMO you are not gaining anything quality wise in the Ultra line one over the other.

3) In theory the 8A should have better flow but both will give you far more flow than you really need. The longer I experiment with filters the less and less I care about "flow", it just doesn't seem to make any practical difference.

All just my opinion but I've used both these sizes quite a bit.

One more thing...please keep in mind the minute you deviate from the spec filter for your vehicle you are on your own. If you have any kind of filter related problem you'll get no sympathy from the filter manufacturer, no matter how defective the filter, if you are running anything but what you are supposed to be. That said I haven't run a "spec" filter on my Jeep in well over a year and I've been through a bunch as I've been doing a LOT of testing.
 
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
I don't know that you'd be gaining anything, in fact the more I mess with these filters the more I tend towards the 3600's and similar.



why do you prefer 3600 over 8A if I will be using Ultras?

I guess I am asking that if you have ample room, any downside to using the 8A vs. 3600

I have always thought, logically, bigger volume is better or certainly not worse at least, assuming equal build quality etc.
 
Well in regard to Frams it is partly a quality issue on the low end filters, but I've had a lot of start up noise issues I've been working through and I've found consistently better starts with the smaller 3600 type filters. In fact I'm running a PH3600 now to compare against the equivalent PH8A I just ran, which was giving me start up tick again, vs the TG3600 it replaced which did not.

Bigger volume is better for filtering and flow in theory but I've not been able to discern any tangible results from upsizing, while I have had some benefits from downsizing. Your situation and vehicle may be different.
 
The XG3600 is a pretty big filter, and being full synthetic media should flow like a mad man. Here's a filter that is smaller and isn't even full synthetic, and it flows 12 GPM with 5 PSID. I highly doubt that Lexus engine puts out anything close to the LS6, or anything close in terms of oil flow volume that would tax any filter the size of the XG3600.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1621624/
 
i started driving and changing oil , and filters in 1965. its hard to remember but i think there might have ONLY Fram filters at that time.
 
Originally Posted By: morris
i started driving and changing oil , and filters in 1965. its hard to remember but i think there might have ONLY Fram filters at that time.

If that were the case then where was Purolator filters? I mean, they did invent the oil filter.......
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
The XG3600 is a pretty big filter, and being full synthetic media should flow like a mad man. Here's a filter that is smaller and isn't even full synthetic, and it flows 12 GPM with 5 PSID. I highly doubt that Lexus engine puts out anything close to the LS6, or anything close in terms of oil flow volume that would tax any filter the size of the XG3600.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1621624/


Oh, Zee, why do you insist upon bringing logic and data into a topic that is clearly predicated on emotion and brand bigotry?

I'm going to have to pull your BITOG "AROFCC" privileges (Anan-Retentive Oil and Filter Changer Card), and ask that you sit quitely in the corner wearing the cloak of shame (facts and figures) unique only to those who place knowledge above rhetoric. You can have a seat next to me.
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Originally Posted By: morris
i started driving and changing oil , and filters in 1965. its hard to remember but i think there might have ONLY Fram filters at that time.


I think he has a point, I remember 1965, AC and FRAM were about all that you saw, Purolator was next, but far less common, with Wix and Motorcraft taking some hunting to find. Any other brand was downright rare!

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Originally Posted By: dnewton3
Oh, Zee, why do you insist upon bringing logic and data into a topic that is clearly predicated on emotion and brand bigotry?

I'm going to have to pull your BITOG "AROFCC" privileges (Anan-Retentive Oil and Filter Changer Card), and ask that you sit quitely in the corner wearing the cloak of shame (facts and figures) unique only to those who place knowledge above rhetoric. You can have a seat next to me.
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Isn't this true for every single topic that is discussed on BITOG? First thing we throw out in all these discussions is rational or logical thinking. It is almost a requirement to leave logic and rationality at the gate before visiting BITOG. My impression is that it has got worse over the period of years.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: jfking106
Again, all we have is the word of Mullick, who lost his mind over an oil filter, of what "Jay said." I don't see an email with "Jay's" name on it, or his message. Pictures of unopened filters are not proof that the filter was not opened and inspected after.


Yeah, I'm sure Mullick2001 is lying and making up everything Jay said to him ... especially since Jay (Motorking) can come on here and see that Mullick2001 is making up things and lying about it all.
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
The XG3600 is a pretty big filter, and being full synthetic media should flow like a mad man. Here's a filter that is smaller and isn't even full synthetic, and it flows 12 GPM with 5 PSID. I highly doubt that Lexus engine puts out anything close to the LS6, or anything close in terms of oil flow volume that would tax any filter the size of the XG3600.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1621624/

You raise a good question. Do manufacturers publish the flow/pumping power of oil pumps somewhere? The Ultra is synthetic, but its configured in 2 layers with a screen.
 
SO who here would prefer a Fram/Honeywell to say, a WIX, Hastings, Filtech/Tokyo Roki, MANN, MAHLE-KNECHT?? Come on, step up guys! Also please explain why
 
Originally Posted By: jrustles
SO who here would prefer a Fram/Honeywell to say, a WIX, Hastings, Filtech/Tokyo Roki, MANN, MAHLE-KNECHT?? Come on, step up guys! Also please explain why



I won't use FRAM because my x-wifes sisters friends husbands bosses daughter had a FRAM put her in a hospital from a FRAM falling off of a car driving on a cliffside highway. It rolled down the hill, hit a boulder, and flew into the air and hit her in the head as she was rock climbing.
 
Originally Posted By: jrustles
SO who here would prefer a Fram/Honeywell to say, a WIX, Hastings, Filtech/Tokyo Roki, MANN, MAHLE-KNECHT?? Come on, step up guys! Also please explain why



There used to be KevGuy who would step up, but he could never explain WHY except that they were orange.
 
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