Originally Posted By: LScowboy
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Nothing like the new guy on the block telling everyone they are clueless.
I joined BitOG in winter 2002/2003, nearly 5 years before you did, this is my 2nd user ID as I no longer have access to the registered email to my original ID. So you are actually the "newbie" from my perspective, buster!
And I didn't call anyone "clueless" - I merely asked why so many folks on online forums hate Fram, because I have never heard of a failure of one personally, and have been a an auto technician and an engineer for over 30 years, but I guess when you sell millions of oil filters every year, more than all of the other firms combined, at least someone is gonna have one fail, and it sounds like one of those folks was you - and apparently couldn't have happened to a nicer guy!
Not too intelligent to judge someone that you really no nothing of their background, your intellect may be a small subset of the fellow's you are currently berating at the moment. - Chill out man, life is too short, I didn't wreck your engine, I am just trying to catch up on when Fram became a bad word, it was thought of as the best for a long time. And looking at their sales even today, without even being the low priced ho of the market, apparently a lot of folks still like their filters besides me.
I never said you wrecked my engine. Where id d I say that?
You came on here all blustery about in my 30 years I have never seen a failed Fram and if you can name a better filter for XXX than a Fram name it and so on. Very aggressive and at times insulting. It came across like you were challenging anyone here with issues with Fram and were calling them out.
I actually am a really nice guy and I did not deserve it. I take great care of my vehicles hence my displeasure with Fram costing me an engine. I sold them for many years and could relate plenty of horror stories with their filters or talk about all the mechanics I had as regular customers who flat out refused to use a Fram filter. You may not have seen it but others have.
You came in with a big chip on your shoulder and were acting like you wanted a fight. Snide and sarcastic comments left and right and yet you are surprised that some folks got ticked off at your comments and called you on them?
Next time lead with "I am just trying to catch up on when Fram became a bad word" and you won't confuse folks with your intent.
I would disagree with the following comment of yours ..."it was thought of as the best for a long time." Now, I too have a long history in the auto field and Fram has never been considered "the best". Not around here anyway. Popular and used a lot yes but that doesn't mean it was ever thought of as the best. Much like today it was used so much because of price, ease of availability, succesful marketing, and name brand recognition. It had a better reputation years ago than it does now but it has hardly ever been considered the best.
I don't want to start any further issues with you. You came across very aggressive and it raised my hackles because it seemed like you were basically saying anyone who dislikes Fram had nothing to back it up. We have lots of guys like that here so maybe I was gun shy. Sorry for that.
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Nothing like the new guy on the block telling everyone they are clueless.
I joined BitOG in winter 2002/2003, nearly 5 years before you did, this is my 2nd user ID as I no longer have access to the registered email to my original ID. So you are actually the "newbie" from my perspective, buster!
And I didn't call anyone "clueless" - I merely asked why so many folks on online forums hate Fram, because I have never heard of a failure of one personally, and have been a an auto technician and an engineer for over 30 years, but I guess when you sell millions of oil filters every year, more than all of the other firms combined, at least someone is gonna have one fail, and it sounds like one of those folks was you - and apparently couldn't have happened to a nicer guy!
Not too intelligent to judge someone that you really no nothing of their background, your intellect may be a small subset of the fellow's you are currently berating at the moment. - Chill out man, life is too short, I didn't wreck your engine, I am just trying to catch up on when Fram became a bad word, it was thought of as the best for a long time. And looking at their sales even today, without even being the low priced ho of the market, apparently a lot of folks still like their filters besides me.
I never said you wrecked my engine. Where id d I say that?
You came on here all blustery about in my 30 years I have never seen a failed Fram and if you can name a better filter for XXX than a Fram name it and so on. Very aggressive and at times insulting. It came across like you were challenging anyone here with issues with Fram and were calling them out.
I actually am a really nice guy and I did not deserve it. I take great care of my vehicles hence my displeasure with Fram costing me an engine. I sold them for many years and could relate plenty of horror stories with their filters or talk about all the mechanics I had as regular customers who flat out refused to use a Fram filter. You may not have seen it but others have.
You came in with a big chip on your shoulder and were acting like you wanted a fight. Snide and sarcastic comments left and right and yet you are surprised that some folks got ticked off at your comments and called you on them?
Next time lead with "I am just trying to catch up on when Fram became a bad word" and you won't confuse folks with your intent.
I would disagree with the following comment of yours ..."it was thought of as the best for a long time." Now, I too have a long history in the auto field and Fram has never been considered "the best". Not around here anyway. Popular and used a lot yes but that doesn't mean it was ever thought of as the best. Much like today it was used so much because of price, ease of availability, succesful marketing, and name brand recognition. It had a better reputation years ago than it does now but it has hardly ever been considered the best.
I don't want to start any further issues with you. You came across very aggressive and it raised my hackles because it seemed like you were basically saying anyone who dislikes Fram had nothing to back it up. We have lots of guys like that here so maybe I was gun shy. Sorry for that.
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