New Red Line Oil High Performance 0W-20 and 0W-30 API SP elemental analysis

[OVERKILL]

That pour point is surprising, would tend to indicate a lot less PAO in the oil. I also love how they shamelessly butcher the SAE grade.

 

[Revving2Redline]

Looks very Valvolinesque.

that's blasphemy speech right there. nothing can look better ugly

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Looks very Valvolinesque.

I think it looks more ConocoPhillips / Kendall / Motorcraft
Isn't it they................. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ who manufactures the SP version of Red Line?

..... or have things changed in 2023?

 

[buster]

P66. Well, it looks like a lot of oils because they use similar additive systems. I'd say it looks close to Amsoil. Moly is reduced quite a bit and they've jumped to Ca/Mg blend with some Boron.

 

[buster]

I'd be curious to run this just to see how it holds up now that it's a Mg/Ca blend with lower SA. I'd like to see how UOA's look with RL SP vs their old school high Ca blends.

 

[Gladiator007]

Have they changed the additive package in their 0w-40 too?

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Have they changed the additive package in their 0w-40 too?

Kinda irrelevant as this thread was started nearly 3 years ago. If you want consistent performance, the only place you’ll find that is the oil blender who doesn’t chase the cheapest component price in order to maximize profits. I’ll let you read some and come to your own conclusions since some members blindly claim fanboyism even when I remind most folks they may think they want “the best oil” when in reality “the best shelf oil at WM” may exceed the actual requirements of their application.

We’ve got some great site sponsors here… give them a shout with your wish list, let them advise you, and come to your own conclusion on the price/performance/availability value proposition of each offering.

 

[Gladiator007]

Kinda irrelevant as this thread was started nearly 3 years ago. If you want consistent performance, the only place you’ll find that is the oil blender who doesn’t chase the cheapest component price in order to maximize profits. I’ll let you read some and come to your own conclusions since some members blindly claim fanboyism even when I remind most folks they may think they want “the best oil” when in reality “the best shelf oil at WM” may exceed the actual requirements of their application.

We’ve got some great site sponsors here… give them a shout with your wish list, let them advise you, and come to your own conclusion on the price/performance/availability value proposition of each offering.

That's not the answer to my question. Do you know if Redline has changed the additive package in their 0w-40 as well?
The numbers in PDS haven't changed, 0w-20 and 30 have.. A VOA should help as massive amounts of Ca and ZDDP mean the additive package hasn't changed either.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

That's not the answer to my question. Do you know if Redline has changed the additive package in their 0w-40 as well?
Looks like the good old Redline to me.

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Redline is the only place who could tell you if the formula has changed. Nearly every “spec” sheet will use the disclaimer “typical specs” rather than “absolute” so they can always have an out in case some part of their typical blend is not available, or costs too much, etc. It’s why you can’t build a fluid from an SDS or spec sheet.

Unless you got confirmation in writing from P66 Legal Dept that the item you’re looking at hasn’t changed, bet on the likelihood that it has.

 

[Gladiator007]

Redline is the only place who could tell you if the formula has changed. Nearly every “spec” sheet will use the disclaimer “typical specs” rather than “absolute” so they can always have an out in case some part of their typical blend is not available, or costs too much, etc. It’s why you can’t build a fluid from an SDS or spec sheet.

Unless you got confirmation in writing from P66 Legal Dept that the item you’re looking at hasn’t changed, bet on the likelihood that it has.

You can't say that for sure about any oil out there. That's why we have spec sheets to get an idea. If it wasn't for spec sheets this thread wouldn't exist. Their 0w-20 and 30 have changed for sure, the question is what about their 40.

 

[Gladiator007]

VOA of their 40 is on me. I will order a quart just for that purpose. 2,800 ppm Ca and 1,200 ZDDP are signs that it hasn't changed.

 

[Gladiator007]

Hopefully it looks like this

 

[Gladiator007]

For the team

 

[travis8352]

For the team

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It has not changed. I asked redline a month or so ago and they said the formula has not changed

 

[Gladiator007]

It has not changed. I asked redline a month or so ago and they said the formula has not changed

Thanks

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

It has not changed. I asked redline a month or so ago and they said the formula has not changed

Can you share what Redline said, specifically? Because I asked, and they said they cannot provide any specifics about formulation changes.

 

[Gladiator007]

Can you share what Redline said, specifically? Because I asked, and they said they cannot provide any specifics about formulation changes.

Saying that it has not changed is good enough. The bottle still says extra zddp, the new 20 and 30 don't say that. As far as the base oil is concerned, the pour points suggest it is still the good old stuff

 

[travis8352]

Can you share what Redline said, specifically? Because I asked, and they said they cannot provide any specifics about formulation changes.

Sure! I asked a if formulation changed or potentially suppliers for the same product change as well as just the SSI of the VI improver used. (We know HPL used a 3-5 SSI so I wanted to compare, but figured i for sure would not get an answer)


Travis,



Red Line High Performance 0W-40 Engine Oil formulation has not changed as well as the supplier. The information that is listed on the TDS regarding the HTHS (4.1) and viscosity (15.7cSt) is the correct information. This is a full synthetic product with Group IV/PAO Group V ester base stock.



Unfortunately, when it comes to providing specific formulation information such as viscosity Improvers or other formulation components, that information is not available to be shared.



Thanks


Tyler

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