New Extended Drain Interval Mobil Oils

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Originally posted by Motorbike:
Extended Performance Oils

5w-30 57.2 @40c 10.2 @100c
10w-30 62.6 10.1
10w-40 91.3 14.2
15w-50 136.5 18.7


I did some calculation on the visocities, and the 10w-40 EP is actually thinner than 5w-40 T&SUV down to at least -10C. Since I live in SF Bay Area, I am now really looking forward to this oil as the year around oil for my WRX.
 
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Now that we've seen the VOA of the Mobil 1 EP oil, what do you guys' think? Still think it's a bargain? Molekule has been a fan of high calcium and boron. This oil has 232ppm of Boron 3,300ppm Ca and a TBN of 13. 5qts @ $23.82 sounds like a deal to me. Price oil should continue to go up, as the demands become greater and new additives are being used in place of ZDDP, which is cheap from what everyone says.

Yeah Buster, I think it is a bargain. I'm paying 13 cents per qt. now more for GC (assuming no specials). M1 is going to out price the competition.

I'm staying with GC for now, I just can't bring myself to extend an oci to past what GC will do anyway for now. Future uoa evidence could change my mind though.

My car did ok with the M1 Super-Syn 10W-30, so the EP is a future possible if the cost of GC gets out of control or becomes unavailable.

The EP makes the ATM I like look not so attractive anymore, too.
 
When I get my brand new GM car later this year, I'll flush the break in wear, and do one oil change a year with this stuff. does XOB say at how many miles to change the oil filter with the 15k interval? sorry if it's a repeated question, I didn't read the whole thread
 
Our Wal-Mart here in NC just overhauled their oil section. ExxonMobil dominates the display with the 5000, 7500, M1 and M1 EP taking up 1/4 of the entire shelf space. They did a nice job of slotting them on the shelves with the same grades (5W30, 10W30, etc) on the same shelf, but displayed in ascending price and performance. It was the best organized and displayed portion of the oil section.

MC was the big loser and was removed from the store. Pennzoil also had reduced shelf space. Mobil, Castrol and Havoline are the big three with Pennzoil/QS and SuperTech not far behind.

Regardless of how the oil performs....you have to admire the marketing strategy and positioning of each product. The M1 5W30 EP was already sold out... one guy bought the last 2 5 gal jugs as I watched. If the new EP works well.....Mobil might have hit a home run.
 
Motorcraft made the decision that effective February 1st, they will no longer sell Motorcraft to Wal-Mart. When it's gone, it's gone. Ford dealers raised to much heck with Motorcraft.
 
That's interesting, Johnny. Now I wonder, what hoops the dealers had to jump through to offset MC's loss in market share by limiting the distribution of the oil via the #1 retailer? That has to represent a good chunk of MC's throughput. They may have had to ante up the difference ..or so I would imagine. Perhaps all they had to do was say that they were going to start buying it from WallMart instead of in bulk
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Gary: That's not to far from the truth. There are some Wal-Marts and SAMS that were selling it by the pallet, CHEAP, and a lot of independent shops, as well as lube centers were buying it and taking business away from Ford dealers. I know first hand of a very large dealer here in WI that just built a new dealership. They use to use Pennzoil but Ford gave them mega bucks for the building and told them they had to use Motorcraft. The dealer told Ford to take it out of Wal-Mart or they would use what ever oil they wanted to. Multiply that by all of the Ford dealers nation wide, and Motorcraft & Ford listened. You notice you don't see any Goodwrench, Toyota, Honda, or Mopar oils in Wal-Mart.

I'll be glad when I retire. All the fun has gone out of this business. Ten years ago I told them that oil was going to become a commodity like tolit paper, and it has.
 
If that is the case I'll buy all the Motorcraft 5w-30 at Walmart. It's not a big seller here...It has a small section in the corner at Walmart here.
 
One thing I wish Mobil would have done and that is to make a 0w-30 EP oil.
 
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I haven't read this whole thread so if this is redundant I apologize...but why would you market an oil targeted (apparently) to European style OCIs and then make it in grades and with ACEA ratings that don't correspond to what I perceive as a lot of Euro requirments AND especially when you have a 229.3 and 229.5 (long OCI) oils already?

pscholte, this is an interesting question and lately I've been trying to understand how important the HT/HS number is. It was said in anothet thread that an A1 oil must protect as well as an ACEA A3 rated oil.

The whole viscosity/HT/HS spec is not as black and white as one might think. I'm not sure how relevant it is to long drain oils. Mobil 1 5w-20 was originally made for 25,000 mile drains.


I apologize too if this has already been covered but what is the difference between the new oils and the 0W 40 and the Saab Turbo 0W 30 which is also Mobil 1. These oils already have GM LL spec that allow them to go up to 18,000 miles.

So is M1 just taking the additive pkge. from those oils and putting it in the new oils.

Also, I was wondering if the new oils will have the GM LL spec along with the MB and BMW long life spec?
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Ford is doing the right thing for their business. What dealer or specialty shop wants to carry a product when WalMart is retailing it, often at a lower price then the mfg. would wholesale it to them for.

The Motorcraft parts division's real job is to supply it's dealer network.

You are never going to see Toyota, Honda, etc. putting their brand of oil and parts into mass market retail.

John
 
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Originally posted by jthorner:
The Motorcraft parts division's real job is to supply it's dealer network.

You are never going to see Toyota, Honda, etc. putting their brand of oil and parts into mass market retail.


Ford parts sold under the Motorcraft name (not all are) are specifically available at places OTHER than the dealer.

Any parts store can order and stock any Motorcraft part they want, from a Motorcraft distributor. A good example of this is Rockauto.com -- I can enter a Motorcraft part number and get pretty much any Motorcraft part I want from them.

But I cannot do that if the part I want does not have a Motorcraft part number (which are different from Ford part numbers).

In addition to that, some Motorcraft parts are such as filters are available for non-Ford applications.

You'll never see Toyota and Honda putting their parts into non-dealer sales channels because they like to keep very tight control of parts availability for their models.
 
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What dealer or specialty shop wants to carry a product when WalMart is retailing it, often at a lower price then the mfg. would wholesale it to them for.

Most people that use a dealer or specialty shop for anything aren't doing it for price. You don't get an M1 oil change anywhere for $4.25 a quart. There are many Euro cars that spec a rebadged M1 and its available from WallMart. The unique situation here is the Ford spec and the limited availability of the product. The 5w-20 spec and retro spec and the mass availabilty of the product is relatively "new". Without MC being available through retail outlets ..the dealer will have a virtual monopoly on it. Unless the rest of the refiners can produce a like product (for performance and durability) at a competitive retail price ....there will be a "honey bucket" created for the dealers and a mini "black hole" for consumers.
 
Anyone dare me to use it in a 192K mile Mazda rotary engine? hehe

Looks like we'll be able to try this new stuff in the Saturn, as it is currently the only piston-engine'd car that we own.

-JamesW
85 RX-7 GSL-SE 13B fuel injected
192K miles, due for an oil change
 
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I'll be glad when I retire. All the fun has gone out of this business.

Your view is shared by many reps, Johnny. One rep for the local PZ/SOPUS distributor was commenting that the distributor was being "pushed" to sell Rotella T synth to compliment the line up in HDEOs. When I commented that WallMart had the stuff on the shelf for $12.88/gallon ...(he wasnt' aware of this) he just saw that if he was going to perform his job he was going to make no money on it ...or do poorly in the product line. Just an endless uphill battle with everyone cutting your throat. He's swapping accounts with competitors on a quarterly basis.

For a few $ less (cue spagetti western whistle)
 
Some of the testing that wasd done with M1 EP:

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What type of testing has ExxonMobil conducted to validate these high-endurance claims?

ExxonMobil tested these oils in a variety of rigorous field, bench and lab tests such as field testing with the Lucky Cab Company in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Mobil Clean 5000 and 7500 technology has been tested extensively in various vehicles, under both normal and severe conditions, such as the Las Vegas desert and urban city streets, to prove that the products deliver outstanding performance and protection. Mobil 1 technology has a long history of extended service performance and is approved by several leading car builders for oil changing ranging typically from 10,000 to 18,000 miles. This includes Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Porsche, Audi, VW, Cadillac and Chevrolet. These products have been tested under the most severe service conditions and ambient temperatures, and some of the more challenging engine configurations.

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What was the sample size of the test vehicles? Were these test vehicles representative of the U.S. car population? What types of vehicle engines were tested?

Over 130 vehicles, both domestic and imported, including 4-cylinder, V-6 and V-8 engines, were tested across the U.S. in real-world driving conditions as well as very extreme conditions, from the congested streets of New York City to the heat of Las Vegas.

 
I thought I read someplace on this board that when the SM oils were introduced (in late Nov-2004) that the SL oils had to be discontinued in ~6 months. In other words, the oil manufacturers could not produce SL and SM at the same time, espeically since SM covers the SL spec (backwards compatible). Is that true? If so, I'm puzzled that the new M1 EP is SL. Is it possible that we are in a transition phase with M1 EP and by summer there will be much more clarity to the M1 family offerings?
 
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