quote:I would keep the Honda in a minimum ob 3 or 4 thousand miles. The problem with using Redline is that Redline says you should wait until 10K before going to their oil.
Originally posted by TR3-2001SE: I believe the Honda break in oil has lots of moly in it. I would guess you could change it early but use a oil with lots of moly like redline. There are UOA on this break in oil on this site which will give you some insite on this special break in oil. Do a search on Honda Break-in in the Used oil analysis section.
quote:It supposedly is a special break-in oil with lots of Moly. It may and probably is different from the regular Honda oil. As Tim Suggested-changing the filter is a god idea.
Originally posted by michaelv: What if I just refill with Honda oil 5w20. Does that have the Moly count I need? Or is break-in oil something else?
quote:There is no need to change the oil out early. In most cars, it won't hurt to change it out early, but Hondas use special break in oil. If you change it out early, you loose the benefits of the special break in oil. I have a 2000 Honda Civic Si. Did the first oil change at 7,500 miles. Did every one after that at 7,500 miles. Now have 60,000 miles on it and car works great.
Originally posted by michaelv: When should you do your first oil change? My new Pilot says to NOT change the oil early. Why are they telling me not to change it until 7500...
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Originally posted by Ken4: My Toyota manual says change oil every 15,000km or 12months (break-in oil included) with any SJ, SL oil. Do you think Im going to listen to them? No Way Hosay!
quote:This sounds perfectly reasonable. Mobil 1 can actually go longer, so I'd go Honda's maximum 7,500 mile intervals (check this). But if that makes you uncomfortable, you can go with something easy to remember, for example, 5,000 mile intervals.
Originally posted by michaelv: Here is my plan. I mostly likely will leave the factory oil in for 3500-4000miles. Then I want to switch to Mobil1 10w30. Living in Hawaii I don't think I really need 5w20 like Honda recommends. Even then I change my oil and filter(K&N) every 4000.
quote:A layperson reading Toyota's recommendtion may simply pick up any SJ, SL dino oil and run it for 15,000km / 12 months. Sure it may bring it past the warranty period. The warranty period is 12 months BTW. But this vehicle will certainly become an oil burner if one continues to follow this kind of recommendation. And to make matters worse, the Tech is most likely going to tell him consuming 1 litre of oil per 1500km is normal.
Originally posted by CJH: If you dont use the recommended SJ or SL oil, what type are you going to use?
quote:A friend of mine got his Honda from someone we both kmow and the first owner DID exactly what the draler required, to the letter, missed nothing, sold it to my friend at 124K I think and my friend has 244K and sounds perfect. No decrease in performance, etc, Just the last 10K or so has he started to BURN about 1/3 - 1/2 a quart every 3-4K... before that only a few ounces!
Originally posted by Ken4: My Toyota manual says change oil every 15,000km or 12months (break-in oil included) with any SJ, SL oil. Do you think Im going to listen to them? No Way Hosay!
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Originally posted by Ray H: A friend of mine bought a '94 Accord, new. On my advice he changed the factory fill oil out at 500 miles, then again at 2,500 miles. The 94 Accord didn't have steel cylinder sleeves or special break-in oil designed to seat the steel sleeves. There was also no recommendation not to change it out early. Regardless how much moly is installed at the factory (could either be in the oil or in the assembly lube - no one outside of Honda has any idea which and Honda isn't talking), only so much can be taken up in the sliding surface asperities (microscopic "hills and valleys" on machined bearing surfaces). The rest can only slosh around in the oil as excess. Moly is an expensive additive, and from the recent reports they've cut back from 1,000ppm to 500ppm in the break-in oil. That's still 2.5 times the moly you'll find in the OTC Honda oil. If you're comfortable with the notion of running the same (probably dino) oil and all the initial wear metals too small to be trapped by the oil filter, and subsequently large enough to be trapped, but NOT, after the oil filter is clogged to bypass, for 10,000 miles in a new engine, fine. I cut open my oil filter after running 5,000mi on the factory-fill oil in my 2002 Acura RSX and there was very little visible metal. The filter looked fine. It certainly wasn't clogged to bypass.