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And then shoot someone accidentally on purpose? Why would a person do that??
Man accidentally shot and killed in gun shop
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It amazes me the amount of times firearms get passed around without being cleared first. The DIs would haze us if we flagged anybody, for good reason too. We were also taught to always pass the firearm with the bolt to the rear, chamber shown. When turning in rifles to the armory, it was always that plus the barrel pointed towards us.
Negligence is not an excuse and now a series of unfortunate events from negligence has caused a man to get killed.
Negligence is not an excuse and now a series of unfortunate events from negligence has caused a man to get killed.
The story is definitely light on details, however it did say they were viewing a gun that was for sale, not a gun a customer brought in.
I may or may not make any friends here, but the person who shot should be indicted.
The second you take possession of the firearm it is on YOU to make sure it isn't loaded and maintain safe handling. I have never been in a gun store that the ceiling or floor was covered with people, point it there.
I almost wont go to a public range or a gun store anymore because by and large peoples firearm handling skills are atrocious, if i had a dollar for every time ive been muzzle swept or covered at a range/shop i could probably afford that Thompson sub machine gun I've wanted since i was a kid. I mean the general public is terrible! we wont even talk about the time the range was hot and some dude decided to walk down the side and get his target,,, claiming he made eye contact with everyone... people are idiots.
I could be wrong, but i think it was better back in the day when they taught such things in school.
And before anyone ask, yes id have the actor dude under the jail too.
This is terribly sad, but it was preventable and the ultimate responsibility rest with the person who was holding the firearm.
The second you take possession of the firearm it is on YOU to make sure it isn't loaded and maintain safe handling. I have never been in a gun store that the ceiling or floor was covered with people, point it there.
I almost wont go to a public range or a gun store anymore because by and large peoples firearm handling skills are atrocious, if i had a dollar for every time ive been muzzle swept or covered at a range/shop i could probably afford that Thompson sub machine gun I've wanted since i was a kid. I mean the general public is terrible! we wont even talk about the time the range was hot and some dude decided to walk down the side and get his target,,, claiming he made eye contact with everyone... people are idiots.
I could be wrong, but i think it was better back in the day when they taught such things in school.
And before anyone ask, yes id have the actor dude under the jail too.
This is terribly sad, but it was preventable and the ultimate responsibility rest with the person who was holding the firearm.
I'm an RO at an indoor range, we always check guns on the bench when call range safe and make sure no mags are in, action is open and chamber is empty and visible before anyone is allowed to go downrange to post or change targets, low tech. Nobody's allowed to approach the bench during this time and till range is announced hot again.
Accidents happen, not this posted one.
We had a fatal accident in BC during an outdoor match a few years back, a shooter bumped his gun into a barrier during lateral movement and dropped it, made an attempt to catch falling gun and set it off effectively shooting himself in chest. Very tragic, shooter was very experienced but made mistake attempting to catch falling gun. Moral of the story - be safe with guns, not toys.
Accidents happen, not this posted one.
We had a fatal accident in BC during an outdoor match a few years back, a shooter bumped his gun into a barrier during lateral movement and dropped it, made an attempt to catch falling gun and set it off effectively shooting himself in chest. Very tragic, shooter was very experienced but made mistake attempting to catch falling gun. Moral of the story - be safe with guns, not toys.
That's even more impossible to imagine. How could a gun store have a loaded gun to give to a customer who is likely looking to purchase It. If I were to ask for a gun inside the case and they told me it's loaded one in the chamber I would immediately leave that store altogether. I won't put up with such insane and reckless incompetence. From now on if I ever look at a gun in store and the slide/bolt isn't already racked I'm going to have to check it myself. I'm no longer going to just trust that it's unloaded because I've grabbed guns magazine in slide/bolt in battery and immediately started messing with it assuming it couldn't possibly be loaded. Not anymore.
This is the reason my gun shop will only hand me a 9mm with the slide locked in the racking position. RIP. Needless death.
I have seen idiots in the gun store handling guns they clearly have no clue which end is which. Yes, gun safety is everyone's responsibility. However given that any idiot can walk in and ask to see one, then its clearly the store's responsibility to hand a empty gun over. As mentioned, I always check myself anyway. And I never to to a store in a busy time - asking for trouble IMHO.
I can't see how the store in this case is not grossly negligent. Not saying the customer with the gun is not, but for sure the store is.
There are mentally ill, angry people without guns who are bent on irrational mayhem. A way of stealing a gun?
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^This^
Many people just don't respect firearms as they should, like so many other things.
People who forget they have a gun, as they go through security are a prime example. So Many
WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?
https://www.tsa.gov/news/press/rele...37-firearms-airport-security-checkpoints-2023
What about the zeroth rules?
Have at least one.
Don't let rust or the government take them.
Without those the other 4 don't matter.
They hand it to me, I remove the magazine, set it on the counter, then clear it.
I leave the magazine out the whole time it is in my hand.
I have some unpopular thoughts also.
I think every shooting should go in front of a Grand Jury.
I would think this would be some level of unintentional/manslaughter.
No matter what we think, a man lost his life, his family deserves closure.
There are some guns that can discharge without anyone touching the triger. We had a 22 Savage single shot target riffle that with age had a screw protrude into the bolt area because the wood had worn and allowed that screw to sit further towards the bolt than originally designed. A slight bump could set the gun off if the safety was off. Fortunately, it was pointed downrange at targets and the range was green to shoot when it fired without the shooter touching the triger.
I had a very old bolt action 20 GA. That I heard click when the bolt was closed. Fortunately, no round was in the chamber. It turned out to be a weak triger spring. That gun was my grandfather's, and probably over 100 years old.
And of course there's the Remington 700 triger fiasco.
I have a rule about guns. ALWAYS keep every gun pointing in a direction that if it went off, no one gets hit.
I had a very old bolt action 20 GA. That I heard click when the bolt was closed. Fortunately, no round was in the chamber. It turned out to be a weak triger spring. That gun was my grandfather's, and probably over 100 years old.
And of course there's the Remington 700 triger fiasco.
I have a rule about guns. ALWAYS keep every gun pointing in a direction that if it went off, no one gets hit.
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Criminal suit might be difficult depending on what they find out. Even involuntary crimes usually involve proving some sort of willful negligence dependent on how the law was written, so it very much depends on what actually happened and what they can actually prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
I don't disagree with your sentiment, but you need to decide if it helps the public good putting those involved in prison.
There will be a civil suit, and anyone involved has already lost - store owner, employee, whomever was holding the gun.
Criminal suit might be difficult depending on what they find out. Even involuntary crimes usually involve proving some sort of willful negligence dependent on how the law was written, so it very much depends on what actually happened and what they can actually prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
I don't disagree with your sentiment, but you need to decide if it helps the public good putting those involved in prison.
Not exactly what I'm thinking.
Let a GJ decide if it needs to move foward.
I don't like it when the local DA makes the decision not to pursue it.
Grand Jury's today indite 99% of the time. The joke is there well known to indite a ham sandwich. At this point there a giant waste of time and expense.
In this case the grand jury declined to issue a criminal indictment.
It's the oversight aspect..... every shooting includes Police shootings.
If the GJ indites, he still has a trial.
We had a shooting in a Taqueria.
The first 3 rounds were good..... looked self defense
It was the shot the shooter put in the bad guy, who was laying on the floor incapacitated as the shooter walked out and left.
He turned himself in a few days later...really had no choice, it was all on video....even the truck he left in.
He was no billed about a year later.
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