In a recent video , I saw where Lubrizol VII’s had a lower percentage of change , drop out , etc. (across all standard testing parameters) versus the SOPUS / Exxon - Mobil joint Infinian venture VII’s (roughly 2% less) . Safe to say we know where Infinian VII’s are utilized (M1 , Pennzoil , Shell & QS oils) , so my question is what current synthetic oil companies : synthetuc oil series utilize Lubrizol VII’s in their synthetic oils as a viscosity modifier ?
Lubrizol VII Modifiers Question
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MolaKule
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For the 1,000th time, Formulations are proprietary, they are IP.
BTW, it's Infineum.
BTW, it's Infineum.
Petro-Canada Duron. When I buy boxes of 4 litre jugs they have a booklet glued on to each jug in 20 different languages (and some that we have never heard of) that lists the additives and treat rates.
I searched out the additives and they turned out to be Lubrizol.
Afton is another additive supplier to PC.
Good Luck getting you question answered here on an Oil Forum.
You know what your question has me think, just use 1 of these oil's and sleep well at night.
1) HPL
2) Redline, expensive stuff
3) Amsoil SS, how are things going Pablo? LOL
4) Mobil 1 ESP or FS
I’m no expert by any means but I think it’s safe to say you could use any oil on the shelf at Walmart or Autozone, Advance,Napa… and sleep well at night.
Maybe I’m wrong
If you can't ask a question like this here, where can you ask it? I'd be interested to know who is using Lubrizol too.
MolaKule
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But it will be mostly conjecture.
You can ask any technical question you like, but you also have to look at the response(s) whether you like the responses or not.
No one knows who is using what Di additive package or single component unless there is someone inside who does the formulation and he spills the beans.
BUT, formulators and others in the formulation group or department have to sign a "Non-Dislosure Agreement" or NDA which says that 'I will not disclose any information without the express written consent of XX." If you do release information without consent, you will be in major legal trouble.
Formulations and the components in a formulation are proprietary information or IP: Proprietary or IP data refers to intellectual property that is privately owned and protected. It includes creations such as databases and other data-associated resources. Users of proprietary IP data must meet professional, legal, and ethical obligations when sharing it with others.
https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/proprietary-intellectual-property
I can show pictures of additives I have in my possession,
but I cannot disclose any data with whom I work because I sign NDA's with whom I consult. And, the other party or parties cannot disclose anything either.
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Don't get me wrong, but your answer was more of a non-answer than an answer. I understand you're not at liberty to discuss but maybe leaving some space for anyone who is might be more useful than pointing out why a lot of people who know can't (or aren't willing to) answer.
MolaKule
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@lawrencerd
Your comment. "If you can't ask a question like this here, where can you ask it? I'd be interested to know who is using Lubrizol too."
My response: "But it will be mostly conjecture.
You can ask any technical question you like, but you also have to look at the response(s) whether you like the responses or not." That was an answer.
"...but maybe leaving some space for anyone who is..."
What does this mean and who would that be? Do you understand what an NDA really means?
Your comment. "If you can't ask a question like this here, where can you ask it? I'd be interested to know who is using Lubrizol too."
My response: "But it will be mostly conjecture.
You can ask any technical question you like, but you also have to look at the response(s) whether you like the responses or not." That was an answer.
"...but maybe leaving some space for anyone who is..."
What does this mean and who would that be? Do you understand what an NDA really means?
This x1000.
I know I walk a pretty fine line. Anyone “in” the industry is subjected to either an NDA or LMA.
I can speak about the brand(s) I own. Because they literally have my name on the ownership documents. But anything beyond that, or the majors I work with, I cannot.
I completely understand that you are unwilling to answer. Just my opinion but I would find a well reasoned speculation more useful than "I know but I won't tell you".
MolaKule
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Not even Lubrizol or Afton or Infineum is going to tell you.
Again, I understand that. I think most longtime followers of this space understand that. I just don't find it especially useful to shout down the question. The longer I've followed this space the more I'm surprised and disappointed how little industry information does leak out via this forum.
After all, NDAs are applied across many industries and still in many cases rumors and leaks occur.
Sorry for the spell check error (Infineum) … I was not asking for formulations - I suppose asking which oil companies (in general) buy from Lubrizol is a closely guarded secret … Well , so be it then .
MolaKule
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No one is shouting down the question so that comment is ridiculous.
What we're trying to do is educate the public (the original basis for BITOG) on how the lubricant industry functions. If you are uncomfortable with the answers given then possibly your expectations are unreasonable.
The lubricant industry is by its very nature very competitive and little information leaks out. I think HPL and LSJr probably give the public as much information on lubricants as they can without releasing proprietary information.
To what end would the general public benefit by knowing who uses what VII?
It's not being uncomfortable with the answers..no answer to the actual question was ever offered. Other than "it's proprietary". Which is not an answer at all.
I would think the reason for wanting to know the additive brands is evident: curiosity. Wanting to know more about the lubes we are using. If OP has read that their VIIs are a little better, why not try to seek out information on which oil is using it?
If we all just wanted to read the owner manual and use a spec oil, there would be no need for any forum like this in the first place.
Any questions about formulation details are for entertainment only
I had eggs this morning without knowing what animal feed producers feed was used to feed the chickens. Yikes.
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