LSJr's Video Testing Data - Pennzoil and Quaker State's Differences

[cheesepuffs2]

Not the same, QS is not using Gas to Liquid while Pennzoil is.

I emailed SOPUS about this last year and they were very transparent about it when asked.

 

[fantastic]

I emailed SOPUS about this last year and they were very transparent about this when asked.

Good to know but they did come out with the Ultimate Protection 20k line. Does it have an GTL?

 

[cheesepuffs2]

Good to know but they did come out with the Ultimate Protection 20k line. Does it have an GTL?

I don't know, but who cares to be honest. This is all splitting hairs so much. Not you personally, but all of this. Whether or not it contains GTL, it will be a perfectly serviceable oil that one need not worry about.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

It’s nuts for less than a buck difference that pennzoil platinum is a mighty fine oil with outstanding reviews. Not saying the Quaker state is necessarily a lesser product.

Ran PUP given the love here in new FB powered subarus when they were introduced. Drank that stuff like I left the drain plug loose ... and it never stopped. I used what was left over of PUP and PP for top off only. No such Issues with Castrol Magnetec or Valvoline. Odd. Never tried it again.

As @kschachn intimated, a decade ago Shell was obviously using Pearl GTL (Ras Laffan, Qatar) in everything ILSAC for a while when you saw the ASTM D5800 volatility drop to almost half of previously reported values in conventional products.

If QS or PYB didn't have "Made from Natural Gas" on the front label, that could simply be marketing differentiation reserved for higher tier products.

 

[fantastic]

I don't know, but who cares to be honest. This is all splitting hairs so much. Not you personally, but all of this. Whether or not it contains GTL, it will be a perfectly serviceable oil that one need not worry about.

Well, That's what one of the main topics this thread is starting to answer. There are differences & IF Quaker State UP was GTL it would be cheaper to buy then PZ Platinum for one. Wouldn't that be a good reason to get to the bottom of these differences?

 

[fantastic]

Ran PUP given the love here in new FB powered subarus when they were introduced. Drank that stuff like I left the drain plug loose ... and it never stopped. I used what was left over of PUP and PP for top off only. No such Issues with Castrol Magnetec or Valvoline. Odd. Never tried it again.

As @kschachn intimated, a decade ago Shell was obviously using Pearl GTL (Ras Laffan, Qatar) in everything ILSAC for a while when you saw the ASTM D5800 volatility drop to almost half of previously reported values in conventional products.

If QS or PYB didn't have "Made from Natural Gas" on the front label, that could simply be marketing differentiation reserved for higher tier products.

Times change & In the link I presented a few posts back shows PYB is not using GTL in all of their products. Seeing this Quaker State FS not using GTL shows that PYB is willing to use Non GTL base oil in their lower tiered products. I think there's a reason behind the marketing. That is one of the great benefits GTL is low volatility as you mentioned. Interesting stuff!

 

[pbm]

I guess I don't see the problem here running PUP. It's his ride, he's had a PUP vs PP VOA analyses done with a vid showing the results. After the analysis he said was going to "give it a try" because he liked what he saw in the results. Also, I'm not certain of the Boxster year, warranty may not be a factor. Either way, clearly for him certs and approvals, not concern. Iirc from reading, there are some members here that also prefer using PUP without some certs and approvals, over PP with them.

I also don't have a problem with him (or anybody else) running whatever they want in their vehicles. I mentioned the 'approvals and certifications' because some well respected people on this board think they are the end all and yet never brought it up when LS used one without them.

I once asked if VW 'a&c's' were really needed in a 2.5 VW 5 cylinder because it's an under stressed engine that's not much different than any universal Japanese straight 4 cylinder. (Before the crazy increase in used car prices I had my eye out for a used Golf, Jetta or even a Beetle with the 2.5 and a 5 speed manual but that ship has sailed). I said I would have no problem using non VW cert oil in one of those 2.5's and got a little flak for it IIRC. I would be far more cautious about using non VW approved oils in a VW/Audi 2.0 turbo or other higher performance Euro engine. As I stated earlier...if I was going to use the QSUD or the PP in any Euro engine I'd certainly lean toward the QS based on it's higher viscosity which Euro manufacturers seem to prefer.

PS: My inlaws 3.6 Touareg could probably get away with using a non VW spec'd oil (at shorter OCI's) but I've stuck to Castrol 0w40, QSUD 5w40 and lately the Total 5w40 from the AA 'clearance' because 'why not' at WM 5 qt jug prices.

 

[cheesepuffs2]

Well, That's what one of the main topics this thread is starting to answer. There are differences & IF Quaker State UP was GTL it would be cheaper to buy then PZ Platinum for one. Wouldn't that be a good reason to get to the bottom of these differences?

If you are that concerned about saving a couple of dollars per jug, then just get the QS and sleep easy.

There is so much conversation on this forum about getting to the bottom of which consumer grade oil is the best value for money off the Walmart shelf. Realize that we are talking about literally a few dollars in either direction, over the course of generally at least 5,000 miles. During those 5,000 miles, do you realize how much money is spent on fuel compared to that ~$25 jug of oil? The price difference between Pennzoil or Quaker State is irrelevant. Skip buying a candy bar one day and it's the same difference. People post like crazy about this stuff and it's like seriously, your time is better applied nearly anywhere else in your life than it is pondering if Pennzoil is worth a few dollars more than Quaker State or not.

 

[Sayjac]

I also don't have a problem with him (or anybody else) running whatever they want in their vehicles. I mentioned the 'approvals and certifications' because some well respected people on this board think they are the end all and yet never brought it up when LS used one without them.....

Got ya. I think I could venture a guess as to why that is, but pointless to go there. Things change, I guess. But, obviously I missed your intended point.

 

[fantastic]

If you are that concerned about saving a couple of dollars per jug, then just get the QS and sleep easy.

There is so much conversation on this forum about getting to the bottom of which consumer grade oil is the best value for money off the Walmart shelf. Realize that we are talking about literally a few dollars in either direction, over the course of generally at least 5,000 miles. During those 5,000 miles, do you realize how much money is spent on fuel compared to that ~$25 jug of oil? The price difference between Pennzoil or Quaker State is irrelevant. Skip buying a candy bar one day and it's the same difference. People post like crazy about this stuff and it's like seriously, your time is better applied nearly anywhere else in your life than it is pondering if Pennzoil is worth a few dollars more than Quaker State or not.

This whole forum is about the oil industry & to be able to freely discuss these topics. That's what we are doing here. It's not all about "Concern" than it is LEARNING about oil differences. I'm a sponge by nature & this satisfies my curiosity so that's why I'm discussing these topics mostly. To spread information that is learned by data testing.

 

[cheesepuffs2]

This whole forum is about the oil industry & to be able to freely discuss these topics. That's what we are doing here. It's not all about "Concern" than it is LEARNING about oil differences. I'm a sponge by nature & this satisfies my curiosity so that's why I'm discussing these topics mostly. To spread information that is learned by data testing.

You're taking even my comment too seriously.

 

[fantastic]

Tried to call Quaker state to ask them if they use any GTL. Didn't get to far since it's Saturday. I'll try to reach out on Monday to ask them that question. "Does your Quaker State Ultimate Protection 20k/1yr use GTL?"

 

[Chief119]

I called Toyota corporate and got some lady on the phone and asked her if all the dealerships used HPL in all their bulk oil, can you believe she didn’t even know what I was talking about. I guess it’s a mystery.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

I also don't have a problem with him (or anybody else) running whatever they want in their vehicles. I mentioned the 'approvals and certifications' because some well respected people on this board think they are the end all and yet never brought it up when LS used one without them.

I once asked if VW 'a&c's' were really needed in a 2.5 VW 5 cylinder because it's an under stressed engine that's not much different than any universal Japanese straight 4 cylinder. (Before the crazy increase in used car prices I had my eye out for a used Golf, Jetta or even a Beetle with the 2.5 and a 5 speed manual but that ship has sailed). I said I would have no problem using non VW cert oil in one of those 2.5's and got a little flak for it IIRC. I would be far more cautious about using non VW approved oils in a VW/Audi 2.0 turbo or other higher performance Euro engine. As I stated earlier...if I was going to use the QSUD or the PP in any Euro engine I'd certainly lean toward the QS based on it's higher viscosity which Euro manufacturers seem to prefer.

PS: My inlaws 3.6 Touareg could probably get away with using a non VW spec'd oil (at shorter OCI's) but I've stuck to Castrol 0w40, QSUD 5w40 and lately the Total 5w40 from the AA 'clearance' because 'why not' at WM 5 qt jug prices.

Well I wouldn't assume that he's using oil which is better than the C30 his 4 cylinder requires.

 

[kschachn]

This whole forum is about the oil industry & to be able to freely discuss these topics. That's what we are doing here. It's not all about "Concern" than it is LEARNING about oil differences. I'm a sponge by nature & this satisfies my curiosity so that's why I'm discussing these topics mostly. To spread information that is learned by data testing.

What is “data testing”?

 

[wpod]

The question is, over 200,000 miles, would you be able to actually see any differences between the QS and PZ…

I have seen just as many engines running 300,000 + miles using what ever oil and filters a quickie lube places use as engines running Amsoil and Redline. There aren't too many passenger vehicles that make it past that before some expensive repair or rust or accident takes the, out. Unless one pushes the oil change interval any of the major brands will get the job done. I guess it depends whether you want to have your vehicle end up with a spotless engine or a few deposits in the junk yard. Any of the [syn] oils on the Walmart shelves will do fine. Some are better that others but they are all pretty good.

 

[Sandstorm]

Just because both oil are formulated by Shell it doesn't mean that the two oils are the same. Similar to the discussion that was brought up recently appertaining to Valvoline and Napa.
Just because they're formulated by the same source it doesn't mean they're the same oil. .

 

[4WD]

Times change & In the link I presented a few posts back shows PYB is not using GTL in all of their products. Seeing this Quaker State FS not using GTL shows that PYB is willing to use Non GTL base oil in their lower tiered products. I think there's a reason behind the marketing. That is one of the great benefits GTL is low volatility as you mentioned. Interesting stuff!

I don’t think RGT was GTL either … down to my last $10 jug

 

[kschachn]

Times change & In the link I presented a few posts back shows PYB is not using GTL in all of their products. Seeing this Quaker State FS not using GTL shows that PYB is willing to use Non GTL base oil in their lower tiered products. I think there's a reason behind the marketing. That is one of the great benefits GTL is low volatility as you mentioned. Interesting stuff!

When the Pearl plant started production they needed to utilize the product any way they could. Now not so much. Again it’s about interchange as well as supply and availability. They can use GTL feed stock in any Group III based product that is convenient at the time (or is convenient tomorrow).

They can also tailor the product to the application based on the degree of hydrocracking that’s performed.

 

[fantastic]

I don’t think RGT was GTL either … down to my last $10 jug

Could be why it was a flop... . j/k But as you note cheap enough wins almost every time. I just remember this stuff being on clearance at Menard's & have no idea if SPUS is still pushing this product?