Quaker State Ultimate Durability and Ultimate Protection Volatility Results – Nov 2024

JAG

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Oils tested: 10W-30 Ultimate Durability (UD), 0W-20 Ultimate Protection (UP), 5W-20 UP, 5W-40 UP

These oils were purchased in the United States. 10W-30 UD was bought several years ago. The UP oils were bought a few weeks ago.

1.000 grams of each oil was placed in separate, small aluminum cups. No oil was allowed to get on the sides of the cups since that would influence the results. Oils were heated in a toaster oven with a single sheet of aluminum foil covering the tops of the cups to prevent the intense radiation from reaching the oils. Oils react to radiation which I wanted to minimize. The walls of the cups have a large single opening that goes roughly halfway down the cup, so evaporated oil does freely escape the cups even when the tops are covered. The oil temperature was increased throughout the test due to a concern of autoignition. A thermocouple was used to measure the temperature the oils would start at with by measuring the temperature of an oil sample NOT included in the test. Measurement was 332 F. Calibration tests conducted on the thermocouple were done at house thermostat reading at 70 F and thermocouple said 70 F. Boiling water at 150 feet altitude read at 206 F, so it was ~ 6 degrees low. So, the 332 F measurement was probably low by > 6 F.

The four cups of oil were placed fairly close to the glass door and the cups’ openings faced toward the glass. Reasons for that is to keep them away from being directly above the heating element and to keep the cup openings facing the region of least radiation. The scale used is “My Weigh” Model i101 with resolution of 0.005 grams. When it oscillates between two weights and spends roughly equal time between them, I go with a weight 0.002 above the smaller weight.

Graphs showing the cumulative weight losses and relative cumulative weight losses vs measurement number are below. The relative data is relative to 10W-30 UD since that had the lowest volatility. Keep in mind that the temperature did increase throughout the test and the ambient temperature varied as well. Increasing temperature obviously has a tendency to increase the amount of mass loss. I was seeking relative mass losses, so the changing temperature is not a problem. The reason for increasing the temperature is that the test later transitioned into the deposit forming phase and I wanted to decrease the amount of time it would take for deposits to form.

MSDSs of all four oils list only GTL as base oils and it comprises the vast majority, if not, the only base oil. Therefore, the combined viscosity of the one or more GTL base oils in each product is is likely the primary driver of the volatility. The volatility results make sense to me from what I expect the combined base oil viscosities to be. I have not used Gokhan's base oil viscosity calculator on these oils but I did see that 10W-30 UD has a combined base oil viscosity near the upper end of all of the oils in his database. That, combined with GTL chemistry, yields low volatility. I did not test 10W-30 UP, because I have not been able to find a source for it. Quaker State has not yet responded to my message asking if it is indeed being sold.

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Thank you for the great post. Once again the benefits of less polymers present in an oil are worth it if cold performance isn't an issue. But the 5w-40 performed really well with the higher vii it has since it has testing approvals that limit loss.
 
That is true, dnewton. To clarify, this was not a test of differing quality/type base stocks. I did this test in particular because I wanted to quantify how much more volatile 0W-20 QS UP is compared to 5W-20. If small enough, my plan was to buy more 0W-20 and abandon 5W-20. The difference is large enough that 0W-20 is what I’m abandoning, given the somewhat mild climate here. I tested 5W-40 because I bought 5 gallons, will use it no matter what, and I wanted to know. 10W-30 UD was tested because I already had it, it is one of the least volatile oils I’ve ever tested, and there are other brand/viscosity oils that I’ve tested alongside it. The latter allows me to quantify relative volatility between oils not tested alongside each other, albeit with some additional but acceptable error.

The deposit phase of testing is ongoing. It would be a chore to document here and I might not do it because of that. People deserve a lot of explanation of the test procedures and written observations and pictures along the way, in order to judge how well the test was conducted. It is probably better to not document it at all here than cut the documentation short.
 
Calibration tests conducted on the thermocouple were done at house thermostat reading at 70 F and thermocouple said 70 F. Boiling water at 150 feet altitude read at 206 F, so it was ~ 6 degrees low. So, the 332 F measurement was probably low by > 6 F.
Your test temperature of ~170°C is actually around the perfect temperature for a volatility test. Oil loss from volatility in a running engine correlates best to volatility at around 160 to 190°C, since this is about as hot as the cylinder liners get. The Noack test temperature of 250°C has been found to have significantly worse correlation to oil consumption.

I'd be interested to see some oils with other types of base stocks tested with the same method, to see how well they do relative to GTL at lower test temperatures.
 
That’s great to know twX. I did not know that about the correlation between test temperature and oil consumption. I will be posting other results in the future. I have one test already finished with Valvoline Restore and Protect 5W-20 that I still need to do the number crunching to get how volatile it is relative to these QS oils. It has much fewer data points because it auto-ignited. One learns from one’s mistakes. Haha. I will also do more tests in the future.
 
@JAG Thank you for doing this and thank you for taking the time to write it out.

Just so I'm clear, the Y-axis is mass loss in milligrams, what is the X-axis? Is it time or temperature or something else?

Thanks for your hard work.
 
Is this an ASTM test or known oil testing method used in setting oil specifications or approvals?
No.

@JAG Thank you for doing this and thank you for taking the time to write it out.

Just so I'm clear, the Y-axis is mass loss in milligrams, what is the X-axis? Is it time or temperature or something else?

Thanks for your hard work.
Oops, I definitely should have mentioned that. The x-axis is measurement number and for every heating period except one of them, heating lasted 45 minutes. Oils were rotated after every heating period. The heating period associated with the second to last measurements was the only one that had a different duration and it was 1.75 hours and at a reduced temperature of 190 F. That was because a tiny drop of water got in one of the cups at the end of the previous heating cycle and I needed the temp. to be below 212 F to evaporate the water drop out and not have it explode its way out, taking some oil with it (I’ve seen that happen before).
 
So how is this different than PF's heating test he does to rank oils by volatility?
I don’t know, nor do I care. If you are bringing this up due to some of PF tests not being welcome here, discuss it with a moderator. If it has something to do with my tests, send me a private message, to keep this thread uncluttered by tangents.
 
The x-axis is measurement number and for every heating period except one of them, heating lasted 45 minutes. Oils were rotated after every heating period. The heating period associated with the second to last measurements was the only one that had a different duration ...
Got it, thanks mate.
 
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I don’t know, nor do I care. If you are bringing this up due to some of PF tests not being welcome here, discuss it with a moderator. If it has something to do with my tests, send me a private message, to keep this thread uncluttered by tangents.
I think he was implying a toaster oven doesn't simulate an internal combustion engine.
 
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