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Yikes,, get some rust converter, then self etch primer, then color and clear on that bare metal stat!
 
Perhaps, but it will make a mess. I was thinking naval jelly to convert the rust, then mask, self etch prime, and then get some paint in there. To save $, a single stage might do...
 
Perhaps, but it will make a mess. I was thinking naval jelly to convert the rust, then mask, self etch prime, and then get some paint in there. To save $, a single stage might do...

I would love to take it on the "best way."
 
Honestly, the "best way" would have been to get an actual body man to fix it. If you ever do that now it is going to be a lot more work for him. A good quality suction cup (like they use for W/S) and some judicious tapping would have gotten 80-90% of that dent out.

What is done is done though.

gotta get the loose paint off, feather the edges, get to bare clean metal, self etching primer on bare metal, primer and topcoat it. Since your guy has cracked the paint all over the dent you've got a lot of work on your hands...
 
Honestly, the "best way" would have been to get an actual body man to fix it. If you ever do that now it is going to be a lot more work for him. A good quality suction cup (like they use for W/S) and some judicious tapping would have gotten 80-90% of that dent out.

What is done is done though.

gotta get the loose paint off, feather the edges, get to bare clean metal, self etching primer on bare metal, primer and topcoat it. Since your guy has cracked the paint all over the dent you've got a lot of work on your hands...

I always did wonder if that's like a PDR kind of dent.

Now, I get what you're saying.. "Shoulda did that first" or whatever.

My present skills had me watching plunger videos, which the guy suggested "wasn't going to work".. told me "The only way would be to bang it out from the other side." I had my doubts.

I know the guy (lately, and on any car that's not a Chevrolet) has cheap labor rates and frequently cuts me a "package deal".. as to my motivation to tell him to OK please get dent out.

I also left him my dead-blow hammer. I do not know if it was used.

Today, I have to get the oil filter off (this guy puts filters on stupid gorilla tight, the can bends when I apply twisting force.....) I'm being impressed with the Subaru. It won't win any races, but will still muster speeds above the speed limit on the highway.

I'm definitely happy with it so far. This car has lost time to make up for..
.. and from what I see, it may be rising to the challenge.

Subaru/Dave car "if this keeps up" It is a good direction.
 
Here are a couple of BEFORE shots before I revisit this a little later.

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Ahhh! Very nice timing.

Here is the reply I got back from Boosted Performance. I should mail them back and say Thank You:

Hi there -

I will try give you some helpful info but you are in a bit of uncharted territory without much real tuning support I'm afraid.

Long story short, the MAF sensor and o2 sensor are really the main basis of control for fueling. They don't know or care if the engine is 2.5 or 2.0, the MAF measures the air coming in so if a 2.0 is installed and brings in less air, the MAF registers this and fueling stays appropriate. The o2 sensor measures AFR and further adjusts for the idle and cruise areas. So it SHOULD be running pretty close to how it was before unless you've got a bad/dirty MAF or the o2 sensor is going out so those are things to look into.

I can't say for sure if that ECU change will help or not. For $60 it might be worth trying it and see how it feels.

I am afraid we cannot tune that ECU though so we're no help there as far as fine tuning goes.

Best of luck on things!

So. There's that...
 
Ahhh! Very nice timing.

Here is the reply I got back from Boosted Performance. I should mail them back and say Thank You:



So. There's that...

You don't have a MAF from any of the pictures you've shown nor the data I've found on the subject, your car is Speed Density, that's been stated several times now. Earlier cars were MAF, which would prevent a fuel dilution situation.

How about you go and check?

Follow the air intake plumbing from the throttle body out, if there's an electronic device present there with a plug on it (not visible in any of your photos) then you have a MAF and then there's no risk of fuel dilution, that problem ONLY applies to a Speed Density setup, which has no clue how much air the engine is ingesting, which I explained to you IN DETAIL several times now.
 
You don't have a MAF from any of the pictures you've shown nor the data I've found on the subject, your car is Speed Density, that's been stated several times now. Earlier cars were MAF, which would prevent a fuel dilution situation.

How about you go and check?

Follow the air intake plumbing from the throttle body out, if there's an electronic device present there with a plug on it (not visible in any of your photos) then you have a MAF and then there's no risk of fuel dilution, that problem ONLY applies to a Speed Density setup, which has no clue how much air the engine is ingesting, which I explained to you IN DETAIL several times now.
I will go look.
 
Okay, I have a question for whenever we see, I have to go to work soon as well.

This picture. Is THIS what we are calling a MAF sensor, they usually look like this, (sensor right in the middle of an air stream?) Here is the/A picture.

MAF-vs-Speed-Density-300x200.jpg
 
See this thread:
https://www.subaruoutback.org/threads/1999-australian-subaru-outback-mafs-location.52948/

Apparently earlier cars had MAF but it was removed in place of (simpler) MAP. It was removed a couple of years earlier on Euro/Oz cars (according to that thread).

Also supported by this exchange:
https://www.justanswer.com/subaru/a6c86-mass-air-flow-sensor-located-2002-subaru.html

It would look something like this if you had one:
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These two pictures appear to show... very similar looking sensors. :)

That must be the MAF....
 
Apparently earlier cars had MAF but it was removed in place of (simpler) MAP. It was removed a couple of years earlier on Euro/Oz cars (according to that thread).

OVERKILL - I am very happy you're here.

Let me stay focused (we do appear to be posting at the same time) - That is actually one of my hopes.. What if the Japanese JDM EJ20 (probably an EJ201) had MAF.

This may be very simple to you, but I promise you it is greek to me untl I actually go see/go/do/put my hands on it.

Let me go outside and open the hood.
 
Okay, I have a question for whenever we see, I have to go to work soon as well.

This picture. Is THIS what we are calling a MAF sensor, they usually look like this, (sensor right in the middle of an air stream?) Here is the/A picture.

MAF-vs-Speed-Density-300x200.jpg

yes, that picture is of a Mass Air Meter. Do you see one in your intake plumbing? I have not in any of the pictures you've posted, and the data I've found indicates that your car uses a MAP sensor and has no MAF.
 
OVERKILL - I am very happy you're here.

Let me stay focused (we do appear to be posting at the same time) - That is actually one of my hopes.. What if the Japanese JDM EJ20 (probably an EJ201) had MAF.

This may be very simple to you, but I promise you it is greek to me untl I actually go see/go/do/put my hands on it.

Let me go outside and open the hood.

It won't matter, the engine doesn't dictate the MAF or MAP, that's handled by the ECM and if your car is MAP, then it isn't looking for a signal from a MAF, it's operating based on engine vacuum to infer load.
 
It won't matter, the engine doesn't dictate the MAF or MAP, that's handled by the ECM and if your car is MAP, then it isn't looking for a signal from a MAF, it's operating based on engine vacuum to infer load.
I see.

Okay..... Alright, The first question I have (might as well just go with it) is why the Subaru people just told me about a MAF.

Let me repeat back to you what YOU are saying, ... You are saying, THERE ISN'T A MAF IN THAT CAR.

I just put a shirt on so now I go out and open the hood.

I do a fair bit of mental preparation to handle the disorganization and speed at work. This is why it's so hard, sometimes, to go do a simple task, like open a hood.

The next time I type on here, I will have the hood open. I'm gonna go stare at it for a moment.

Because I believe what you are saying is.. if its MAP i'm screwed, if it's MAF i'm okay.

Back in a jif, I don't need to be in the car driving until for another 20 minutes.
 
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