I have two Jeep 4.0 I want to try this stuff in, but both motors are much happier with 40wt synthetics than lighter weights. Yes, I know, the old motors will run on anything, nevertheless After many, many years dealing with these old AMC motors, I know what they prefer. All I'm finding is 30wt and 20wt Restore. Is it just not made, or is Valvoline planning on releasing other viscosity at a later date?
Is there a Valvoline R&P 40wt?
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Maybe in Australia
Don't get your hopes up for Valvoline ever making a XW40 in that specific oil. It's a viscosity that has continually lost market share and to release it cost money plus the warehousing and shelf space at the brick & mortar level for what would be a slow seller. If you contact Valvoline about it, they might give you a "thanks for your interest.... . We will forward that to our marketing team... .
There are plenty of modern Euro engines being made, even today, that run on 40wt oil, and many millions of older ones that are factory specified 40wt, that would benefit from R&P. Even tiny high revving turbo 3 and 4 cylinders specifying 40wt.
my 02 doesnt like thick oil. It prefers 5w30 with 10 w30 second choice
Your sig says you're running 40wt.
That an old oneYour sig says you're running 40wt.
Apparently in Australia R&P 40 is already on the website, so likely available.
https://www.valvolineglobal.com/en-au/restore-protect-synthetic-engine-oil-10w-40/
https://www.valvolineglobal.com/en-au/restore-protect-synthetic-engine-oil-10w-40/
Can confirm a 10w40 is available in Aus.
It is made in Australia though.
It is made in Australia though.
Patman
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Even if we don’t get the 10w40 in North America you can always run the 5w30 for one or two intervals to get the cleaning affect and I’m sure your engine will be just fine, especially since the 5w30 has a decent HTHS of 3.2.
I'll just wait. I figure it'll be in the US eventually. VALVOLINE I KNOW YOU ARE READING THIS QUIT DILLY-DALLYING AND JUST MAKE IT AVAILABLE
https://www.valvolineglobal.com/en-nz/restore-protect-synthetic-engine-oil-10w-40/
Somehow both Walmart and Amazon rank their M1 0w-40 as best sellers in oil.
If they won't make it, I won't buy it. Simple.
We're all slowing figuring out that the low viscosity BS... is in fact BS. Engines that used to last 400,000 miles, now turning into oil burning monsters at 100,000 miles after suddenly being specked to water thin oil... nope. Not playing that game any more. Porsche has been pushing up the recommended viscosity for their older models.
Those carbonized stuck rings everyone is seeing, is because the rings are overheating, because of friction, because water is a bad lubricant. I'll stick to actual oil in my cars.
It wouldn't surprise me if 30 wt and higher oils are banned pretty soon. Some folks out there do not like engines to last as long as they were lasting, until recently.
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Which engine used to last 400,000 miles but is now an oil burning monster at 100,000 miles due to lower viscosity oil use?
Patman
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You are hilarious
There are plenty of Honda Civics out there that have hundreds and hundreds of thousands of miles running “water thin” 5w20 and 0w20 oils. I’m at 155,000 miles on my Civic and it barely uses any oil between changes (9-10k intervals too) And not just Civics are lasting this long either but many other cars too.
I'm sorry that your civic will start using more oil soon, instead of in another 20 years and 300,000 miles down the road. If only you hadn't been using water as a lubricant. Sigh.You are hilarious
There are plenty of Honda Civics out there that have hundreds and hundreds of thousands of miles running “water thin” 5w20 and 0w20 oils. I’m at 155,000 miles on my Civic and it barely uses any oil between changes (9-10k intervals too) And not just Civics are lasting this long either but many other cars too.
Patman
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If only you knew what you were talking about and then I might believe you. But you are clearly delusional here.
After 155,000 miles it’s not using any significant amount of oil so do you honestly believe it’s just going to become a massive oil burner all of a sudden? After 22 years on this board it still amazes me how many people there are like you who just don’t understand how it all works
OK I'll quit being snarky for a minute. Serious mode: I've been watching and concerned with oil for decades, lurked BITOG for decades, etc. Like you, I thought everything was fine, believed the thin oil is fine mantra that was everywhere, figured that people who knew better than me knew what was up, including on this board. Just went with mfr viscosity recommendations, good name brand synthetic, good filter. 5k changes.If only you knew what you were talking about and then I might believe you. But you are clearly delusional here.
After 155,000 miles it’s not using any significant amount of oil so do you honestly believe it’s just going to become a massive oil burner all of a sudden? After 22 years on this board it still amazes me how many people there are like you who just don’t understand how it all works
Then a year or two ago Porsche bumped up their recommended viscosity for former 40wt cars to 50wt. Hmmmm. So I took a deep dive. Deep. Turns out the trend to thin *modern* oil is for very slight mpg improvement only. Only. That's the reason. There is no other reason. It does not improve engine wear, it worsens it in almost all cases. Period. (exception living in the Arctic). Sometimes that wear is tolerable. Sometimes not. Depends on what you want. Maybe you want that extra half mpg, and don't care if your engine is an oil burner pretty soon.
I'm not that way, I want my engine to last as long as possible, especially on my old Jeeps, and old Porsche, that they simply don't make any more and never will. I don't want a computer on wheels powered by an engine any more. I hate computer on wheels cars. I have had many. I still have computer on wheels for long trips, but I hate it, and even the computer on wheels I bumped up a grade. I'm sad I didn't figure this out years ago. I want my engines to last forever because I'm completely done buying new cars. They all suck.
With the current crop of oils, thicker is almost always more protective, in general, to a point, so I use as thick an oil as I can reasonably find good data points for. Would I put 50wt in a Honda 4cyl? Probably not, unless tracking it. There's not enough data out there regarding 50wt and Honda 4cyls to make a good decision. But would I bump up a grade to 30? Instantly. 40? Probably not, again, not enough data. But no way would I run 20wt, knowing what I know now. Enjoy your 20wt oil. Maybe you're trading it in soon, maybe you don't care about having to start checking the dipstick at every fill up soon because the extra 1/2mpg is worth it to you. I have no idea.
Like I said, I thought just like you until recently.
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