Interesting claim by Amsoil

buster said:
I'm not trying to stir up an argument here, but this caught my attention. This is not the first time I've read something like this.

https://blog.amsoil.com/amsoil-crushes-sequence-iiih-engine-test/

"When a competitor’s oil easily passes an industry-standard test, they often reformulate to reduce cost and performance to where it barely passes the test."
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Liqui Moly: MADE IN GERMANY! LOOK, PEOPLE, MADE IN GERMANY!!!!

Amsoil: Hold my beer.
 
Freshman Marketing 101 .... how to make choices:
- pick a market price and modify the product to fit that level (price is constant; product is variable)
- pick a product level and adjust the price to fit (price is variable; product is constant)
Neither is right or wrong; it's a result of choices any company makes to attempt to succeed and gain market share.

Are we really that blind in a rudimentary sense that we cannot see the forest for the trees?
 
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buster said:
I'm not trying to stir up an argument here, but this caught my attention. This is not the first time I've read something like this.

https://blog.amsoil.com/amsoil-crushes-sequence-iiih-engine-test/

"When a competitor’s oil easily passes an industry-standard test, they often reformulate to reduce cost and performance to where it barely passes the test."
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I think all major brands have cheapened their products to increase profit.
Mobil 1 used to have PAO and Esters, now it appears they are just regular group III full synthetic oils, so they can sell the oil at the PAO/Ester price, but blend the oil at the Group III price, and make more profit.

That's why I believe there is no benefit to using name brand oils anymore. They've all been cheapened.
I prefer to use the lowest priced full synthetic oil I can find.

I believe that Group III Full Synthetic is all you need for extreme heat situations, and cold weather flow, so that their cheapening is justified. But I wish their prices would have come down with that cheapening, but of course they didn't, as they pad their profits instead.
 
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Pablo said:
It's part of formulation in most any industry. If you are ,say, a formulating chemist, you won't go to the boss with something that knocks it out of the park and cost $100/qt. Products need to be within a given set of parameters and cost IS a parameter.
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This is the same idea I say about oil filters here. People want the most extreme, best of the best with every aspect of a filter, then want to pay $9 for it. Not gonna happen..... Then they say that company "X" cheaped out on a filter design because they used "fill-in-the-blank-about-something-they-think-is-inferior".

Why doesn't everyone here drive a Bugatti Veryons or McLarens and so on ? Hehe, because they settle for less !
 
A specification and product data sheet is technically good enough, but I like when companies like HPL/Amsoil give you a bit more information. Consumers just don't have access to all that kind of information.
 
Hall said:
Why doesn't everyone here drive a Bugatti Veryons or McLarens and so on ? Hehe, because they settle for less !
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I’d daily a Koenigsegg Gemera (need those seats for the kids y’know) but I’m poor 😭

I’d still put HPL Supercar in it though
 
Bill7 said:
I think all major brands have cheapened their products to increase profit.
Mobil 1 used to have PAO and Esters, now it appears they are just regular group III full synthetic oils, so they can sell the oil at the PAO/Ester price, but blend the oil at the Group III price, and make more profit.
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Cheapened in what way? I'll take a group 3 SP rated oil over a group 4 SL one any day. If they perform better with less expensive base stocks, why fret?
 
Bill7 said:
I think all major brands have cheapened their products to increase profit.
Mobil 1 used to have PAO and Esters, now it appears they are just regular group III full synthetic oils, so they can sell the oil at the PAO/Ester price, but blend the oil at the Group III price, and make more profit.

That's why I believe there is no benefit to using name brand oils anymore. They've all been cheapened.
I prefer to use the lowest priced full synthetic oil I can find.

I believe that Group III Full Synthetic is all you need for extreme heat situations, and cold weather flow, so that their cheapening is justified. But I wish their prices would have come down with that cheapening, but of course they didn't, as they pad their profits instead.
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Which motor oils with Group IV & V are available for the price of Mobil 1 products at Walmart?
 
How many oil-related engine failures occur when the someone uses Supertech or Valvoline or Quaker State (or many other common oils) and changes it on a reasonable interval ? The number must be huge, I mean, 'cause all of those manufacturers are making oils that just barely go over the minimum requirements. 🙄
 
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