Hyundai/Kia Reliable?

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"That is engineering part, and considering Telluride, there is nothing in common with Stinger etc. It is FWD based SUV.
Also, just because someone moves from one company to another (Valter De Silva did that Giugaro etc.) does not mean you copy someone else's design. Copyright is with company, not designer."




There was probably just enough difference to avoid copyright laws.

The new Kia vehicles look very sharp, both inside and out.
 
Originally Posted by PimTac
"That is engineering part, and considering Telluride, there is nothing in common with Stinger etc. It is FWD based SUV.
Also, just because someone moves from one company to another (Valter De Silva did that Giugaro etc.) does not mean you copy someone else's design. Copyright is with company, not designer."




There was probably just enough difference to avoid copyright laws.

The new Kia vehicles look very sharp, both inside and out.

LOL, I highly doubt BMW would sweat about it.
 
Originally Posted by PimTac
LOL. Who really cares about BMW?



Fanboys that use the status image of the brand to measure their manhood....
 
Originally Posted by Treadstone
Originally Posted by PimTac
LOL. Who really cares about BMW?



Fanboys that use the status image of the brand to measure their manhood....

KIA designers?
 
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by Treadstone
Originally Posted by PimTac
LOL. Who really cares about BMW?



Fanboys that use the status image of the brand to measure their manhood....

KIA designers?


Your lack of self awareness is astounding.
 
Kia hired Peter Schreyer from Audi to be their chief design officer back in 2006; he's been a president at Kia since December 2012. Hyundai N boss Albert Biermann was poached from BMW's M division.
Me, I could see owning a G70 3.3T Sport RWD; I only wish it was truly track capable. That said, I understand why Hyundai didn't bother, as 99% of customers in that market segment think that trialing throttle oversteer is a band that used to open for Journey.
 
I understand people wanting BMW's because they look nice. But people defending them as actually being good vehicles makes me laugh. Sure they're fun to drive when they're not broken, but if you live paycheck to paycheck like me then something that unreliable and expensive to repair would be insane to buy. Plus I wouldn't want anyone to see me driving one and assume I'm an arrogant [censored] like someone posting in this thread about how great BMW's are. Lol
 
Originally Posted by caprice_2nv
I understand people wanting BMW's because they look nice. But people defending them as actually being good vehicles makes me laugh. Sure they're fun to drive when they're not broken, but if you live paycheck to paycheck like me then something that unreliable and expensive to repair would be insane to buy. Plus I wouldn't want anyone to see me driving one and assume I'm an arrogant [censored] like someone posting in this thread about how great BMW's are. Lol


You nailed it; and in a most articulate fashion. True automotive connoisseurs recognize that mid-'80s GM sedans were the high water mark of automotive excellence.
 
Originally Posted by caprice_2nv
I understand people wanting BMW's because they look nice. But people defending them as actually being good vehicles makes me laugh. Sure they're fun to drive when they're not broken, but if you live paycheck to paycheck like me then something that unreliable and expensive to repair would be insane to buy. Plus I wouldn't want anyone to see me driving one and assume I'm an arrogant [censored] like someone posting in this thread about how great BMW's are. Lol

How many you owned?
 
Originally Posted by Treadstone
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by Treadstone
Originally Posted by PimTac
LOL. Who really cares about BMW?



Fanboys that use the status image of the brand to measure their manhood....

KIA designers?


Your lack of self awareness is astounding.

IDK man, but those designers definitely lacked awareness what they copying. Though I must say kudos to KIA copying current generation BMW's. I went to try new Honda Pilot when I needed bigger car, and central console is same like in BMW E70 I owned. Actually, design of buttons and placement is exactly the same, except this was from older generation BMW's.
 
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by caprice_2nv
I understand people wanting BMW's because they look nice. But people defending them as actually being good vehicles makes me laugh. Sure they're fun to drive when they're not broken, but if you live paycheck to paycheck like me then something that unreliable and expensive to repair would be insane to buy. Plus I wouldn't want anyone to see me driving one and assume I'm an arrogant [censored] like someone posting in this thread about how great BMW's are. Lol

How many you owned?


I worked in the automotive industry long enough to know better than to own one.
 
Originally Posted by MCompact
Originally Posted by caprice_2nv
I understand people wanting BMW's because they look nice. But people defending them as actually being good vehicles makes me laugh. Sure they're fun to drive when they're not broken, but if you live paycheck to paycheck like me then something that unreliable and expensive to repair would be insane to buy. Plus I wouldn't want anyone to see me driving one and assume I'm an arrogant [censored] like someone posting in this thread about how great BMW's are. Lol


You nailed it; and in a most articulate fashion. True automotive connoisseurs recognize that mid-'80s GM sedans were the high water mark of automotive excellence.


Obviously you're being sarcastic. I never claimed they were automotive perfection. I never even brought up what I drive. I drive them despite their flaws because of several reasons. I like old cars. The ones I drive are reliable because of the the minimal number of parts that can fail and leave me stranded. They cost very little to maintain and repair.

I was commenting on BMW reliability when compared to any typical brand today (like the ones we're discussing). Despite the engine problem I would still bet Hyundai and Kia are on average much more reliable than a typical BMW.
 
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by Treadstone

Your lack of self awareness is astounding.

IDK man, but those designers definitely lacked awareness what they copying. Though I must say kudos to KIA copying current generation BMW's. I went to try new Honda Pilot when I needed bigger car, and central console is same like in BMW E70 I owned. Actually, design of buttons and placement is exactly the same, except this was from older generation BMW's.



Seriously. In a thread about reliability you bring up BMW. LOL
 
If only I had held on to my father's 1981 Caprice- it's disheartening to learn you let a chance at owning a brilliant drive slip through your fingers.
SO depressing.
 
Originally Posted by MCompact
Originally Posted by caprice_2nv
I understand people wanting BMW's because they look nice. But people defending them as actually being good vehicles makes me laugh. Sure they're fun to drive when they're not broken, but if you live paycheck to paycheck like me then something that unreliable and expensive to repair would be insane to buy. Plus I wouldn't want anyone to see me driving one and assume I'm an arrogant [censored] like someone posting in this thread about how great BMW's are. Lol


You nailed it; and in a most articulate fashion. True automotive connoisseurs recognize that mid-'80s GM sedans were the high water mark of automotive excellence.





The bar was set pretty low back then. Most would regard cars of that era as horrible.
 
My wife's second and last domestic was her new 1985 Skylark T Type. Not bad actually, but from that point on all she ever considered were European or Japanese vehicles. I did buy a T Bird Turbo for a beater and I still love my Wrangler, but if I were to buy a domestic today it would be a GT350 or nothing.
 
Too late to edit, but if something happened to the Wrangler I'd be looking at a two door JK or JL.
And I'd NEVER turn down a Challenger R/T Scat Pack Widebody.
 
Originally Posted by MCompact

And I'd NEVER turn down a Challenger R/T Scat Pack Widebody.


You sure would, minutes after getting your new All State Insurance policy for it.
 
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