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If I were buying a car with ultimate reliability in mind, I would search out a mid eighties Honda. We had two '86 Civic Wagons, both of which were run beyond 200K without any real problems. These cars are still fairly simple, yet they are well developed, and very cheap to run. Their timing belts are pretty easy to change.
After that, for general utility, our '97 Aerostar 3.0l RWD has needed only a set of brakes and two sets of tires in 120K. It has been perfectly reliable.
Now, we currently own two OBDII Accords, and they have been great to date. The timing belts are absurdly hard to change, for a wear item, and the '97 even has a second balance shaft belt to change. I won't know for a few more years whether I will have difficulty in dealing with their more complex systems. No troubles yet.
As someone noted above, if you do decent PM on any car, it will probably reward you with reliable service. No car tolerates negelect very well for very long.
 
Toyota Carolla's,Camry's and Toyota Compact Pickups are super reliable! You also see a ton of old Civics and Accords all over the place!
 
Not around here. As I recall cars over 10 years old are under 5% of the vehicle population in Northern Virginia. The last 80s Camry I saw had a coathanger for an antenna and a ton of body damage. No doubt it was one breakdown away from abandoned on the side of the road for the police to deal with.

I haven't seen a Honda Civic CRX in a few years.
 
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I also live in the DC Metro area however I see tons of old Honda's and Toyota's.
 
I see a few early to mid 90s ones, but not much older than that.

The roadside vehicle emissions testing study they did in Northern VA a few years ago confirmed my observations--vehicles older than 10 years (which would have then been 1992 and older) are indeed not common. They made a bar chart showing the percentage of vehicles by year that passed the roadside emissions testing stations they set up (which were usually located on highway on-ramps).

It would be interesting to see this data for the Maryland DC suburbs. Most of the cars I see with MD tags are people commuting to Northern VA for more money, so those tend to be newer cars anyway.
 
Those whom I know with really long commutes will usually put over 200K on a vehicle in less than 10 years, and some in less than five! For the non-enthusiast owner, who does none of his own work or maintenance, there is a practical age and mileage limit. Those of us who work on our own machines know that anything can be fixed. With a little ingenuity and a little parts finding savvy, almost anything can be fixed pretty cheaply, as well.
 
I don't know how anyone can deal with a long commute. Mine is 15 miles one-way and even that gets tiresome, especially when the traffic jams just get worse as time goes on. Used to be that if I left at 6:30pm traffic wouldn't be too bad. Now, sometimes it's jammed up as late as 8pm.
 
There is another face to really reliable vehicles. Some are so reliable that the get passed down several times and keep running even though they look really bad. In Southern California there are Toyota pickups that look like rolling accidents but keep running. The same with Toyota and Honda sedans. Here a lot of illegal's drive them and they run down the road at reduced speeds on bald tires, multi-color fenders and doors and sometimes blowing smoke. Many of these cars are not registered or have Baja plates that may or may not be current. They get a free pass on enforcement because our state government considers them to be very important people. If they have an accident or commit a crime they get the worst punishment of all, sent back to Mexico, but only after receiving free medical care if needed. Then they have to do it all over again, but don't worry about them, food stamps don't have an expiration date. And they will pick another Honda or Toyota. I would grade these care as very reliable because they keep running with no maintenance. You can tell when one of these cars needs service because it will be parked on the side of the road. Instead of wasting money on maintenance they go buy one that's still running. If you see an illegal working on a car it's either stolen or found along side a road somewhere. You just don't see too many domestics on the bean bandit express.
 
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They get a free pass on enforcement because our state government considers them to be very important people.




I think it's more of a case that the enforcement end of it is too ill equipped to cope in terms of all the violations that you could ring up in one stop ..and all the stops that you could perform in a given day. There aren't enough cops/cells/deportation centers/INS agents. Hence you have a choice. Spend all of your resources on something that you cannot stop with what you currently have on hand ..and totally ignore other aspects of your task to the public ...or you can do the job that, mostly, you were there to perform. Bailing out NO with a dixie cup while the levies aren't repaired.

It's far bigger then any "it's the law" attitude can handle.


..but I have to agree about 80's Toyota truck chassis. I had an oddball. 3 ft extended wheelbase ..3 ft extended frame (6 ft total) and loaded, sometimes, up to 2 tons (lots of shifting) ..for 50k (it looked like a mini Ford cube van - dual wheels and all) and not one part ...not one brake pad ..not one quart of oil. Not one shock. It has either an 18R or 20R 4 banger in it (I forget, the liters didn't match the engine designation by .2 in one direction or the other).
 
I vote 1984-1993 Chevy Caprice with a 305/700R4 transmission. Only time my 1986 broke down was when the ring and pinion broke because the car had been driven like it was stolen for 5 years. I know lots of people with these cars and other similar ones and they seem to never break down with some preventative maintenance.
 
Agreed, sir. My one way commute is about 25 miles, and traffic is such that I can typically do it in 35-40 minutes. My all-time record is <25 minutes. On the other hand, a snow or ice storm can easily increase time enroute to over an hour. About a half a dozen people where I work have commutes that double mine, while another half dozen are in the 80-100 mile one way range. Not for me, bro.
 
Lonnie,
In LA, you undoubtedly have many illegal Hispanics. What is amazing is that we have a significant number in Ohio.
They come here to work, they do not abuse government aid, which they can't get anyway, and they generally cause no problems. Any honest general contractor will tell you that Mexican illegals have been the salvation of his business. You are right with regard to what they drive, however.
 
Most reliable VW is my 06 VW TDI. It is only 6 months old and has NOT yet been in the shop. Can you believe that? I know, its a miracle. My 04 VW Jetta TDI was in shop once a month for minor, but annoying, stuff due to shoddy work and poor quality materials.
 
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Most reliable VW is my 06 VW TDI. It is only 6 months old and has NOT yet been in the shop. Can you believe that?




My Audi A4 is over ten years old and hasn't been in the shop since 2000, because I can foul up the repair myself for less money and more efficiently.
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The only things that ever broke were:

1996-1999 (under warranty):

- glove box bulb
- transmission (nightmare experience with dealership)
- one shock
- transmission (partially under warranty -- poorly fixed the first time)

1999-2006 (no warranty):

coolant expansion tank replaced due to hairline cracks (ca $35)
gas pedal broke off (ca $25)
MAF sensor replaced (ca $250)
ICV replaced (ca $160)
ECU replaced (found used one for $200)
leaky ignition coil (found set of used ones for $25)
light switch ($90 -- rewired to use relays)
 
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Lonnie,
In LA, you undoubtedly have many illegal Hispanics. What is amazing is that we have a significant number in Ohio.
They come here to work, they do not abuse government aid, which they can't get anyway, and they generally cause no problems. Any honest general contractor will tell you that Mexican illegals have been the salvation of his business. You are right with regard to what they drive, however.



^^^ Off subject but the biggest problem they cause is driving down labor rates, which is a big problem. Also a drain on the healthcare system. Employers should be fined big time when they are caught hiring these people. Enough to put them out of business. No one wants to work for slave wages. Back on subject the most reliable, long lasting vehicle I've seen is the old Iron Duke 4 cyl. S-10 and the OHV Cavalier, both GM products made in the USA with well paid union labor and BTW cheaper than the foreign competition.
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Gary, The reason they do not stop them all and issue citations is lack of money. How much money can California or any other state make off of ligitamate police work???Not very much! How many illegals are going to pay the state's ciatation? That is why Police officers are rolling tax collectors in most states. Do you really think most traffic stops do much of anything to make our states a saffer place? If they were so interested in saftey they would make it much harder to get a driver's liscense in the first place and violations would be treated more heavy handed they they are!!!then their is the whole road maintence program!!! It would be far safer to drive in Michigan if the roads did not routinely have pot holes large enough to swallow a SUV's tire!

Then you have all of the liberal democrats wanting to issue them(illegals) all drivers liscense's so they can all vote for them. They know that if they keep them dependent on them for government hand outs that they will have a vote for sure. Giveing non tax paying illegals medical,education and food stamps is bankrupting border states!Heck most states even have restrictions on their officers not to arrest them(illegals) if they come forward to report a crime.

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I ran into a retired GM excutive once. He was selling and manageing a car dealership's used car lot. He did not need the money but after about two years of being retired he got bored. He told me that he preffered to sell young people that came on his lot used Toyota's and Honda. He said that "Toyota and Honda build a great used car!" What he meant was that the second and third owenrs of the car usualy got a car that was in sound mechanical condition all of the accessories still worked normaly like AC,power windows,power mirrors etc...He said the cars were usualy close to as solid as they were when new in terms of noise,vibration,harshness. This makes it easier to sell them another vechile when they are ready for a new vechile.

Every Ford that I have ever owned or that frineds and family have ever owned has always had electrical problems. Often even the dealership could not find the root cause of the problem. My wifes family has a family member that works for Ford so they have owned a lot of Fords due to cheap price/discounts.None of them have ever worn out an engine or a transmission but have been stranded routinely for 15-20 minutes waiting for the electrical issue to clear. They had one LTD that would routinely shut off and restart as you were driveing it. My mother-inlaws minivan had issues fromt he get go. Once it was out of warranty every single black box not responable for the engine or transmission went bad. Here solution since Ford wouldnot fix them all was to use black electrical tape to cover the lights on the dash and use a battery charger to keep batery charged. Even the hood's primary striker rusted off! It still runs if you do not mind the interior lights going on and off as they like and the door chime sounding for 15-20 minutes at a time randomly.The head lights also have a mind of own.The ran is noisey and everything feels like it is ready to fall off the van. My wifes family takes excellent car of their vechiles and the ones that own GM or DCX have far fewer problems then the ones that own Ford products. None of her family owns imports. Ford has always had too many electrical issues to ever be considered reliable.

Most domestics have historicaly had really poor designs for all of the stuff in the interior or bolted tot he engine. For example HVAC controll,HVAC lines,AC compressor,fuel pump,intake gaskets, tape players,blower motor's,actuators for duct work,instrument clusters,power seats, power window motors, power window tape/cables,door lock actuator,startors, alternators and water pumps and tail gate cables make up most of the common high failure non wear related items. It seems like the second owner of any domestic wich today only includes Ford and GM can count on these items failing while they own the vechile. Other then starter and alternator I have never had to replace any of the above on any import I have ever owned. Every Domestic I ever owned had to have all of those replaced while I owned. One had to have all of those replaced under warranty so the second owner got an almost new content used vechile. So I must be the most unlucky owner of domestic vechiles!I have never had one that did not require me to spin a wrench every other weekend other then the brand new Dakota I owned the dealer got to workon that one for free!

On the other hand even when I have had to work on an import it has almost never been one of the above parts and was usualy a wear item.It has also never been a bi-monthly ritual either.

I know some on this site have had great luck with domestics but not me or anyone I own. I think most people that own domestics consider it normal to have to fix all manner of stuff and just consider it part of ownership. Import owners especialy Toyota and Honda owners feel just the opposite and think they should not have to fix stuff just because the vechile is ageing. I think most doestic owners consider it normal to have to replace everything bolted to the engine or the interior every 36,000-120,000 miles!
 
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