Hyundai/Kia Reliable?

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted by MCompact

And I'd NEVER turn down a Challenger R/T Scat Pack Widebody.


You sure would, minutes after getting your new All State Insurance policy for it.


? My SRT's have been no more expensive to insure than anything else I've owned. My M5 was cheap too. My Jeep actually lowered my rates because it has automatic braking.

 

[MCompact]

Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted by MCompact

And I'd NEVER turn down a Challenger R/T Scat Pack Widebody.


You sure would, minutes after getting your new All State Insurance policy for it.


? My SRT's have been no more expensive to insure than anything else I've owned. My M5 was cheap too. My Jeep actually lowered my rates because it has automatic braking.


When I priced insurance for a SRT Challenger it was maybe a few dollars more or less than anything else I was looking at(Boss 302, E90 M3, WRX STI, etc.)
Certainly not enough to knock it out of contention.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Lucky you and surely in the minority there.
It's either that, or you've been paying big all-along. Insurance companies are not in the habit of giving good rates to sports car enthusiasts that are generally young/semi-young and reckless to some degree.

I've owned two Cudas, a Camaro and Mustang back in the day. I know what's it like to pay the piper with fast cars. Want good rates?.... be closing-in on gray hair and have a clean driving record the past several years. Otherwise, if you are the normal Joe weith a couple accidents and a couple speeding tickets, then get ready to pay the piper too.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Lucky you and surely in the minority there.
It's either that, or you've been paying big all-along. Insurance companies are not in the habit of giving good rates to sports car enthusiasts that are generally young/semi-young and reckless to some degree.

I've owned two Cudas, a Camaro and Mustang back in the day. I know what's it like to pay the piper with fast cars. Want good rates?.... be closing-in on gray hair and have a clean driving record the past several years. Otherwise, if you are the normal Joe weith a couple accidents and a couple speeding tickets, then get ready to pay the piper too.


I paid big when I was young and had my fox body. By the time I had the M5 I had a perfect driving record and insuring it was actually cheaper than our Expedition.

I've been in a few accidents, but none at fault. My rating with my insurance company is the highest possible.

Don't drive like a moron and avoid hitting people and I think it's pretty standard fare to not get screwed on rates.

 

[PimTac]

It used to be simpler on auto insurance rates. Now, your zip code, credit history, along with make and model and age and driving history all factor in to the cost of the premium.

My area has a super high rate of stolen vehicles. Anything that is in demand will command a higher premium.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by Treadstone
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by Treadstone

Your lack of self awareness is astounding.

IDK man, but those designers definitely lacked awareness what they copying. Though I must say kudos to KIA copying current generation BMW's. I went to try new Honda Pilot when I needed bigger car, and central console is same like in BMW E70 I owned. Actually, design of buttons and placement is exactly the same, except this was from older generation BMW's.



Seriously. In a thread about reliability you bring up BMW. LOL

Yeah, so? Do tell us some ownership stories.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by caprice_2nv
Originally Posted by MCompact
Originally Posted by caprice_2nv
I understand people wanting BMW's because they look nice. But people defending them as actually being good vehicles makes me laugh. Sure they're fun to drive when they're not broken, but if you live paycheck to paycheck like me then something that unreliable and expensive to repair would be insane to buy. Plus I wouldn't want anyone to see me driving one and assume I'm an arrogant [censored] like someone posting in this thread about how great BMW's are. Lol


You nailed it; and in a most articulate fashion. True automotive connoisseurs recognize that mid-'80s GM sedans were the high water mark of automotive excellence.


Obviously you're being sarcastic. I never claimed they were automotive perfection. I never even brought up what I drive. I drive them despite their flaws because of several reasons. I like old cars. The ones I drive are reliable because of the the minimal number of parts that can fail and leave me stranded. They cost very little to maintain and repair.

I was commenting on BMW reliability when compared to any typical brand today (like the ones we're discussing). Despite the engine problem I would still bet Hyundai and Kia are on average much more reliable than a typical BMW.

Personal experience or your friend second cousin told you?

 

[caprice_2nv]

As I said, working in garages for a number of years, some research and it's kind of common knowledge among people who are automotive enthusiasts. One person owning a couple and getting lucky isn't exactly the best way of being "experienced" either. Like I said, nobody is going to change your mind anyway, in your mind you're smarter than everyone else. Not sure why I'm still trying.

Check our hoovies garage on YouTube if you want an entertaining way of being educated on the unreliability of BMW's. He has a very popular channel about his obsession with car collecting. He likes all types of cars including BMW's despite admitting that they are very unreliable. He's spent thousands fixing his.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by caprice_2nv
As I said, working in garages for a number of years, some research and it's kind of common knowledge among people who are automotive enthusiasts. One person owning a couple and getting lucky isn't exactly the best way of being "experienced" either. Like I said, nobody is going to change your mind anyway, in your mind you're smarter than everyone else. Not sure why I'm still trying.

Check our hoovies garage on YouTube if you want an entertaining way of being educated on the unreliability of BMW's. He has a very popular channel about his obsession with car collecting. He likes all types of cars including BMW's despite admitting that they are very unreliable. He's spent thousands fixing his.

I owned BMW's, so should I sent him money I did not spent?

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted by Treadstone
Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by litesong
Originally Posted by benjy
early ones were cheap + crappy, today not so much......
Hyundai/KIA were getting better sooner, than most non-Hyundai/KIA buyers will admit.


Most of that is hype...it took the Japanese makes decades to get a good rep, the Korean makes did it seemingly overnight. No manufacturer improves that much that fast...


Haters gotta hate.


And gullible people will believe anything...

 

[caprice_2nv]

Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by caprice_2nv
As I said, working in garages for a number of years, some research and it's kind of common knowledge among people who are automotive enthusiasts. One person owning a couple and getting lucky isn't exactly the best way of being "experienced" either. Like I said, nobody is going to change your mind anyway, in your mind you're smarter than everyone else. Not sure why I'm still trying.

Check our hoovies garage on YouTube if you want an entertaining way of being educated on the unreliability of BMW's. He has a very popular channel about his obsession with car collecting. He likes all types of cars including BMW's despite admitting that they are very unreliable. He's spent thousands fixing his.

I owned BMW's, so should I sent him money I did not spent?


Your single opinion is not going to change mine or the many other people who have had the opposite experience. I'm sure he would appreciate if you sent him money because it's not likely that he won't buy another BMW one day. He's a sucker for punishment and always admits it.

 

[MCompact]

This has been an incredibly useful discussion; I now have a new-and reliable!-dream car that I can aspire to:

 

[Skippy722]

Originally Posted by MCompact
This has been an incredibly useful discussion; I now have a new-and reliable!-dream car that I can aspire to:

Viva la Whitewalls!

 

[caprice_2nv]

Only pic that didn't show my license plate. This one is not in the junkyard. 223k miles on the body, more than that on the drivetrain.

 

[Treadstone]

Originally Posted by grampi


And gullible people will believe anything...


Yep, you are one of them. Tell me, how many KIAs or Hyundais have you owned?

 

[aquariuscsm]

Originally Posted by caprice_2nv
Only pic that didn't show my license plate. This one is not in the junkyard. 223k miles on the body, more than that on the drivetrain.


That's a sweet Cutlass!!

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by caprice_2nv
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by caprice_2nv
As I said, working in garages for a number of years, some research and it's kind of common knowledge among people who are automotive enthusiasts. One person owning a couple and getting lucky isn't exactly the best way of being "experienced" either. Like I said, nobody is going to change your mind anyway, in your mind you're smarter than everyone else. Not sure why I'm still trying.

Check our hoovies garage on YouTube if you want an entertaining way of being educated on the unreliability of BMW's. He has a very popular channel about his obsession with car collecting. He likes all types of cars including BMW's despite admitting that they are very unreliable. He's spent thousands fixing his.

I owned BMW's, so should I sent him money I did not spent?


Your single opinion is not going to change mine or the many other people who have had the opposite experience. I'm sure he would appreciate if you sent him money because it's not likely that he won't buy another BMW one day. He's a sucker for punishment and always admits it.

Change your opinion? Guy who drives Caprice? Example of why American car industry bankrupt.
I know very well what kind of issues BMW's have. They are all coming from one reason: invention.
BMW is not in the business of making rolling microwaves or refrigerators like KIA/Hyundai, Toyota etc. (or copying their design for that matter). And it is fine to make "vehicles" like that. I own one, absolute appliance. It cannot get more boring, more under-engineered and more mediocre assembled than Toyota SIenna. But there is purpose to that "vehicle" (if you can call it that way).
This is where things get interesting. When one has an issue on BMW, Porsche etc. it is ok to fix it, bcs. it is rewarding to drive. When one has issue on KIA/Hyundai, Toyota etc. first question is: why am I paying for this garbage?
I never questioned why I was paying loan for BMW, although last one had first generation SCR system, which is not example of reliability (and that plagues all the cars with that system). But that question popped out several times with Toyota in the last 9 months of ownership. Why am I paying this? It is question that I ask my self every time I discover new problem on a car. From horrid assembly to underwhelming brakes.

 

[StevieC]

edyvw, nothing wrong with invention. There is a problem with using customers as your beta testers which the German automakers do oh so well and have done so for a while now. Especially Mercedes.

Yes it's happening more and more with other brands not fully testing their implementations but the German automakers sill take the cake in this category.

If you need proof just look at what's still rolling down the road from these after the 5-7 year mark.

 

[MCompact]

Originally Posted by StevieC
edyvw, nothing wrong with invention. There is a problem with using customers as your beta testers which the German automakers do oh so well and have done so for a while now. Especially Mercedes.

Yes it's happening more and more with other brands not fully testing their implementations but the German automakers sill take the cake in this category.

If you need proof just look at what's still rolling down the road from these after the 5-7 year mark.

Yes, my 1995 E36, 2009 E90 and 2009 R55 are at death's door...

 

[PandaBear]

Originally Posted by Reddy45
Now is the time to buy when they are reliable and you get good value for your dollar.

In another 15-20 years they'll carry a premium, and that is around the time when we'll see mainstream Chinese autos in the US sold much like the junkier Kias of 20 years ago.


This.

Every brand has its own perception and actual quality / reliability / etc. Toyota is high in both, Chinese currently is low in both, German is probably high in one or both (depends on who you believe), but Korean is likely lower in perception and higher in actual (takes time), so it is a bargain.

Test drove it back to back at Hertz used car last year, the quality is definitely not Toyota but price is a major discount. If you don't care about the lower grade interior and only care about how many miles before major repair, I'd say they are a good deal.


I don't know how the heck people stuffed a BMW into the comparison here, nobody cross shop between them. You don't expect BMW to be lower quality than Korean but you don't expect people buy BMW and expect Lexus reliability (even BMW engineers themselves won't believe it, trust me, because their focuses are not mature boring appliance).