TBN 2896 8.55???? where are you getting this??? I'm looking at it now...its 7.8
Havoline Deposit Shield
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With people getting the wrong flash and tbn numbers....I wonder where are you getting them??? Not from Chevron.
7.8 is reported on the spec sheet. The 8.5 came from the VOA. Maybe a fluke? Who knows....
I just edited the history section.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobil#Mobil_1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobil#Mobil_1
Have you seen the TV commercial for DS? It is based around keeping the engine and protecting "precious metals" in the engine. It's all about marketing.
That was ...keeping the engine clean and ...
lol, I posted on the wrong THREAD!
It's "shielding" your engine from deposits by volatizing.
What is wrong with marketing? It is salesmanship 101. You try and convey your products' best qualities and high points. Everything is all about marketing and money. What in the #@$%! do you think makes the world go round? Some people here on Bitog need to get the head out of the sand. Comments like It's all about Marketing is just plain ole rumour starting #@$%! and immature. As long as there is truth in the advertising then you need to keep your mouth shut and rumors to yourself.....
Comparing the old Havoline to the new Havoline. . . .
Old Havoline 10W-30:
73.5 cSt @ 40C
10.8 cSt @ 100C
New Deposit Shield 10W-30:
65.3 cSt @ 40C
9.70 cSt @ 100C
Why did they go thinner, and is that anything to be concerned about?
Thinner, thicker, for most, it won't make much difference. I DOES however, cost 2.99 here when the old Havoline was 1.99 and frequently 1.49 on sale. New Havoline been out nearly a couple of months now, haven't seen any sales.
Therein lies the difference.
Therein lies the difference.
They say it's thinner and more shear stable and about the same HTHS viscosity. That's fine. The add pack has changed. That's not marketing. The marketing is marketing and as usual, the marketing is useless to us.
To those of you who are big users and fans of Havoline, given the choice, which would you choose?
1. Havoline DS at, say, $2.69 a quart (I think that's what it is at WM around here right now), or
2. Pennzoil Platinum at $1.99/qt at PB (after sale and rebate), or
3. Pennzoil Platinum at $2.89/qt at AA (with the BOGO offer)
Not saying what anyone should or shouldn't prefer or choose...just curious.
1. Havoline DS at, say, $2.69 a quart (I think that's what it is at WM around here right now), or
2. Pennzoil Platinum at $1.99/qt at PB (after sale and rebate), or
3. Pennzoil Platinum at $2.89/qt at AA (with the BOGO offer)
Not saying what anyone should or shouldn't prefer or choose...just curious.
Tell us what you really think...
Marketing does not prove FACTS.
Most of the time it is to promote a product.
Facts get in the way. Also marketing can make a product cost more.
I'll stick with FACTS.
If not, I'd be running Mobil 1 since its the BEST protection in motor oil. (that is one statement the marketing dept has made).
I have all the hype-marketing #@$%!, but I love the Havoline oil. I don't think they will screw it up and I'll continue to use it. I have 322,000 miles on my GP and it still runs great. Every vehicle that I've owned and used Havoline in has never had an oil related problem.
I've talked to a lot of people that have used Havoline for over 20 years and love it. But they look at me like I'm crazy when I tell them it isn't really Havoline. That Chevron bought the name Havoline and not the formula. And that the specs changed when this happened. They don't want to hear it...so if you like it fine...just know that its not the old havoline...and the new DS is different again. But this doesn't mean its a bad thing...I loved my old Gulf Pride 10w40...but I wouldn't want to go back to it now...
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I think someone should tie Bill from Utah to a chair and stack cases of Mobil 1 all around him and make him watch Castrol Syntec commercials.
I drained the ASL out early. I wanted to go back to a 20wt and I thought I'd give Havoline 5w-20 DS a try. It's the thinest 20wt oil @100C I've seen at 8cSt. I had 6,500 on the ASL. I really did waste it. The Fumoto Drain Valve makes changing oil too easy. LOL
If I can get 7k out of it without having to add any make up oil, I'll sample it.
If I can get 7k out of it without having to add any make up oil, I'll sample it.
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I think someone should tie Bill from Utah to a chair and stack cases of Mobil 1 all around him and make him watch Castrol Syntec commercials.
That would be h&ll
Sorry I just noticed this... A little late though
Buster, so you like your Fumoto valve? I just installed one on the Subaru so it will be interesting to see how it works.
I wished I could have found a suredrain because I like to drain directly into a jug and the Fumoto with a nipple would have stuck down way to far.
I'm sure the Halvoline will do you fine. Do you keep real close watch to the MPG? It would be interesting over 5-10 tanks the MPG average.
I think after my current fill, I may go and pay more than $1 for a quart of oil
It would never be as cost effective to Chevron (at 49 cents a quart) but it would be a good BITOG thing to do for others to see...
Take care, bill
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