Oil dipstick on my dirty engine Hemi charger after 500 miles of Valvoline Restore and Protect

[bbhero]

O rlly?

How motor oil color affects performance. (Hint: It doesn’t). - AMSOIL Blog

Oil color is not an indication of the lubricant's condition. Oil analysis is the most accurate way to know a motor oil's condition.

blog.amsoil.com

I disagree to certain extent with that idea oil color doesn’t matter…

The following oil I bought off the shelf from a gas station 2 miles west of me looked that jacked up right out of the container. This oil was on PQIAs list of extremely bad oils… Interestingly the store I got it from is not in a poor income area… That gas station is in between 2 large and very high end nice neighborhoods… One neighborhood that is a gated community north of that gas station by a mile. The other non gated but very nice high end neighborhood to the south of it by 1.5 miles. Those people routinely stop in that store to buy gas, snacks etc etc.

Then for comparison I put Valvoline white bottle 5w30 to compare… . Every single oil I have ever run looks like that Valvoline prior to it being run in a vehicle. I know that are other oils that have a different new color in them like that one Liquimoly Molygen green oil and there are a few others. But not many.

Or if used oil looks a bit like chocolate milkshake.. You got a major, major problem there.

Used Diesel oil color certainly doesn’t matter because it’s jet black very, very quickly. Even used oil in a GDI motor gets dirty quite fast as well based upon what members on here have observed.

In port injection motors used oil color is a fair amount different and is worthy of paying attention to its color.

So the blanket statement that “ oil color doesn’t matter “ is patently not true in my strong opinion.

What type of motor it is run in matters…. A whole, whole lot.

Now if a decision to be made whether a oil is still serviceable… Then absolutely yes.. Oil color means absolutely nothing. Only a used oil analysis would give that answer.

*** Only caveat to that rule is the aforementioned oil looking like a milkshake in a port injection motor••••…. Which if the oil looks that bad… It’s been doing damage to that motor for awhile potentially.

By the way my calico cat approves of this message…

 

[ZeeOSix]

^^^ Your cat likes that oil bottle because it matches some of his face fur. Sure that dark "oil" isn't dark beer? ... has lots of bubbles in it.

 

[Sequoiasoon]

*** Only caveat to that rule is the aforementioned oil looking like a milkshake in a port injection motor••••…. Which if the oil looks that bad… It’s been doing damage to that motor for awhile potentially.

Or like @TiGeo they used Liqui Moly Ceratec.

 

[4WD]

I disagree to certain extent with that idea oil color doesn’t matter…

The following oil I bought off the shelf from a gas station 2 miles west of me looked that jacked up right out of the container. This oil was on PQIAs list of extremely bad oils… Interestingly the store I got it from is not in a poor income area… That gas station is in between 2 large and very high end nice neighborhoods… One neighborhood that is a gated community north of that gas station by a mile. The other non gated but very nice high end neighborhood to the south of it by 1.5 miles. Those people routinely stop in that store to buy gas, snacks etc etc.

Then for comparison I put Valvoline white bottle 5w30 to compare… . Every single oil I have ever run looks like that Valvoline prior to it being run in a vehicle. I know that are other oils that have a different new color in them like that one Liquimoly Molygen green oil and there are a few others. But not many.

Or if used oil looks a bit like chocolate milkshake.. You got a major, major problem there.

Used Diesel oil color certainly doesn’t matter because it’s jet black very, very quickly. Even used oil in a GDI motor gets dirty quite fast as well based upon what members on here have observed.

In port injection motors used oil color is a fair amount different and is worthy of paying attention to its color.

So the blanket statement that “ oil color doesn’t matter “ is patently not true in my strong opinion.

What type of motor it is run in matters…. A whole, whole lot.

Now if a decision to be made whether a oil is still serviceable… Then absolutely yes.. Oil color means absolutely nothing. Only a used oil analysis would give that answer.

*** Only caveat to that rule is the aforementioned oil looking like a milkshake in a port injection motor••••…. Which if the oil looks that bad… It’s been doing damage to that motor for awhile potentially.

By the way my calico cat approves of this message…

It can tell you an engine is dirty or clean. I put 25% EC30 in a GDI motor with 85k - after reading so much here - pulled a filter at only 1200 miles. The oil and filter looked like 1200 miles in a new motor - both clean - no black at all …

 

[3800Series]

It can tell you an engine is dirty or clean. I put 25% EC30 in a GDI motor with 85k - after reading so much here - pulled a filter at only 1200 miles. The oil and filter looked like 1200 miles in a new motor - both clean - no black at all …

Would argue otherwise, it can suggest oxidation/fuel dilution but doesn't mean clean/dirty.

I too ran EC for 4500 total miles (at 25%) with Mobil EP over 2 filters in a 09 Accord with 200k miles. Vehicle was new to me but maintenance records showed 8k-10k OCI its full life with budget quick lube.

Both filters showed single specs of carbon every 3-4 pleats, only changed oil due to valve cover starting to leak. There was some build up under the valve cover, yet oil never really darkened.

 

[4WD]

Would argue otherwise, it can suggest oxidation/fuel dilution but doesn't mean clean/dirty.

I too ran EC for 4500 total miles (at 25%) with Mobil EP over 2 filters in a 09 Accord with 200k miles. Vehicle was new to me but maintenance records showed 8k-10k OCI its full life with budget quick lube.

Both filters showed single specs of carbon every 3-4 pleats, only changed oil due to valve cover starting to leak. There was some build up under the valve cover, yet oil never really darkened.

Bought my vehicle new - 70% of the miles are with Mobil 1 AP (70% PAO) run below OLM, Mobil 1 AFE, or QSFS also run below OLM … Nothing has oxidized - I just want to keep the pistons clean/rings free

 

[bbhero]

It can tell you an engine is dirty or clean. I put 25% EC30 in a GDI motor with 85k - after reading so much here - pulled a filter at only 1200 miles. The oil and filter looked like 1200 miles in a new motor - both clean - no black at all …

Totally agree 4wd…

That is very true what you stated here.

Always good to see you on here. I hope that you had a good holiday season.

 

[Fa24wrx]

Thanks BrendanC, I live in Georgia and I don't believe it's reached us here just yet. I checked last week at my local AZ but nada.

I'm in Georgia and found it a couple places. Also, can get on Amazon or valvoline

 

[FowVay]

I'm in Georgia and found it a couple places. Also, can get on Amazon or valvoline

Yes, a couple of days after I posted this I found it at my local AutoZone. Where are the other brick and mortar places that you found it?

 

[MrBaumTastic]

from what we know, flushes wont adequately clean coked up rings. i’m a believer and user of BG EPR to clean up dirty motors, for sludge sludge, varnish etc but as far as i can tell in my usage it will not clean gummed up rings.

Wait for real?

 

[olesouthernboy]

Worked so well it was discontinued. Somebody here will probably tell me that's just because Valvoline didn't want to keep embarrassing ExxonMobil with their alien technology that couldn't be replicated.

The oil has not been discontinued. My local International dealer just (10/2024) brought in 4-5 cases to keep in stock. It is the Premium Blue Restore Gen-2. The oil works great at cleaning up varnish & other deposits and that’s from personal experience.

 

[jetman]

The oil has not been discontinued. My local International dealer just (10/2024) brought in 4-5 cases to keep in stock. It is the Premium Blue Restore Gen-2. The oil works great at cleaning up varnish & other deposits and that’s from personal experience.

provide us with data like VOA report, UOA report, and where can it be purchased?

 

[Glenda W.]

https://partner.valvolineglobal.com/4927df/globalassets/ic/landing%20pages/premium%20blue%20restore/us-cf-2784-en_premium_blue_restore_gen2_sell_sheet%201.pdf

US_Val_PBRestoreGen2_MO_HD_EN.pdf - Docusign CLM

sharena21.springcm.com

Part numbers in the second link. Available at certified Cummins dealers. Three one gallon jugs are the smallest quantity available.

 

[Sequoiasoon]

I'm still looking for the filter cut apart pictures and any updates from the OP.

I'm also a fan of VRP so far, using in a couple vehicles.
I'm a fan of HPL and their EC30 and PCMO and use in a couple vehicles and will use more products from them as I can swing it.

Quaker State I used for many years and gets good reviews and UOA's for the QSUD (I think now QSUP).
PP, M1 varieties, PP Euro L are all on my find a good price/clearance use accordingly list.

 

[jetman]

https://partner.valvolineglobal.com/4927df/globalassets/ic/landing%20pages/premium%20blue%20restore/us-cf-2784-en_premium_blue_restore_gen2_sell_sheet%201.pdf

US_Val_PBRestoreGen2_MO_HD_EN.pdf - Docusign CLM

sharena21.springcm.com

Part numbers in the second link. Available at certified Cummins dealers. Three one gallon jugs are the smallest quantity available.

I'll stop by my local certified Cummins dealer

 

[Glenda W.]

I'll stop by my local certified Cummins dealer

I’ve never bought any but heard it’s very expensive. They say it will clean in one oci and to change the filter often.

 

[2002 Maxima SE]

That's interesting. My Taurus DOHC turns my usual fill (Mobil 5w-30 HM) black by about 1000 miles. I've been running VRP 5w-30 for just over 700 and it is still honey colored.

 

[BAJA_05]

Where are the filter pics from thread starter???

 

[jetman]

I’ve never bought any but heard it’s very expensive. They say it will clean in one oci and to change the filter often.

.The same is true w/VPBR Gen1. I have a small stash of the VPBR Gen1 and have been using a 25% mix of it in 3 of my gasoline engine daily drivers and posting UOA results here at BITOG.

 

[Glenda W.]

.The same is true w/VPBR Gen1. I have a small stash of the VPBR Gen1 and have been using a 25% mix of it in 3 of my gasoline engine daily drivers and posting UOA results here at BITOG.

Thanks! I’ll look up your results.