Extended Drain Oils

If you have a modern GDI engine - they can trash an oil in less than 5,000 miles ... My Hyundai 2.4L GDI engine trashes oil like it invented the term !! Soot and fuel contamination are the main culprits for shorter OCI's . Conversely , a non GDI (MPI) engine can go longer between synthetic oil changes . *Typical suburban mixed driving gets 5K miles / 6 months (MPI engine) while GDI engine gets 4,000 miles / 4 month OCI with synthetic oil . Oil analysis reports suggest that is about right for my stable of Korean / Japanese vehicles. Last vehicle ('07 Sedona 3.8L MPI engine) never burned a drop of oil out to over 300K miles before trading it in for a smaller vehicle . This protocol works for me - besides I could blow the cost savings of a 10K mile OCI with a plate of wings and a pitcher of cold beverage !
I believe Mobil 1 has only focused on one thing for oil and extended service. The oxidation rate. But oil service is a big can of worms and one of them worms is the base number. Acid build up? Maybe POE helps there, don’t know? So many good choices out there, almost all of them point to shorter than 20,000 miles on oil.
 
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More important question. Do you have an extended drain engine :)
If you have a modern GDI engine - they can trash an oil in less than 5,000 miles ... My Hyundai 2.4L GDI engine trashes oil like it invented the term !! Soot and fuel contamination are the main culprits for shorter OCI's . Conversely , a non GDI (MPI) engine can go longer between synthetic oil changes .
You have the right of it. World of difference between turbo GDI and NA port injection as far as reasonable interval is concerned. Also have to take into account AFM (Chevy) and VCM (Honda) and any similar systems that thrash oil.
 
I change at 5,000 miles but will gladly put it in a jug if anyone else wants it.:p
Back in the 70s, my Dad had a VW Beetle & a WW2 Willys Jeep. Whenever he changes the oil (HD30W) at 3K miles, he changes the oil at the same time on the Jeep & put in the used oil from Beetle. That Jeep runs like a champ...not picky in oil. As long as it got oil it runs.
 
In Europe, I think cars only go for so long, and then they are crushed. I remember Japan was kind of like this also. I could be wrong.
Years ago if you went to a truck stop the trucks in the parking lot would be idling at about 1500 RPM. Then everyone started pushing idling at an actual idle, many articles were written about cylinder wash problems and how this low idle would take many miles of life off an engine. So after three years of this low idle stuff, they trade them in. How long the truck engine lasts for the next owner? Good question. I guess if you trade your car in and you go with high mileage oil changes, it's the next guy who deals with it. This subject is like arguing about what beer tastes the best or what brand truck is the best. I try to change my oil twice a year, right before it gets hot or cold. Usually at low mileage. Fifteen minutes and about 25 dollars, it's easy.
 
If you have a modern GDI engine - they can trash an oil in less than 5,000 miles ... My Hyundai 2.4L GDI engine trashes oil like it invented the term !! Soot and fuel contamination are the main culprits for shorter OCI's . Conversely , a non GDI (MPI) engine can go longer between synthetic oil changes . *Typical suburban mixed driving gets 5K miles / 6 months (MPI engine) while GDI engine gets 4,000 miles / 4 month OCI with synthetic oil . Oil analysis reports suggest that is about right for my stable of Korean / Japanese vehicles. Last vehicle ('07 Sedona 3.8L MPI engine) never burned a drop of oil out to over 300K miles before trading it in for a smaller vehicle . This protocol works for me - besides I could blow the cost savings of a 10K mile OCI with a plate of wings and a pitcher of cold beverage !
I validated a 30,000 mile OCI on my 2012 Mazda3 Skyactiv - a GDI engine. So, regardless of anyone else's personal anecdotes, my anecdote tells me I am fine with extended OCIs. 8-{D>
 
Curious minds would like to know the total miles on that Skyactiv engine?
I'll be happy to share that, Johnny - 123,700. I know that's not a huge amount, but the car's only ten years old and I've put less than 10,000 miles on it during the last two years. My last OCI was weird because I ran a full year with my last Mazda OEM filter and then managed to snag one last microGreen filter from an eBay seller and ran the oil another year with that filter on it. I just changed that oil from 2020 last weekend. Not that appearance means a huge amount, but those microGreen filters visibly cleaned up the oil. It's such a disappointment that the company went under. I used to be a notorious over-maintainer and have been trying really hard to embrace how much time, effort, money, and waste the newer stuff can offer. I stay out of most conversations about maintenance intervals because there's just no point in trying to convince people that it's nearly as bad to do too much as it is to do too little.
 
I'll be happy to share that, Johnny - 123,700. I know that's not a huge amount, but the car's only ten years old and I've put less than 10,000 miles on it during the last two years. My last OCI was weird because I ran a full year with my last Mazda OEM filter and then managed to snag one last microGreen filter from an eBay seller and ran the oil another year with that filter on it. I just changed that oil from 2020 last weekend. Not that appearance means a huge amount, but those microGreen filters visibly cleaned up the oil. It's such a disappointment that the company went under. I used to be a notorious over-maintainer and have been trying really hard to embrace how much time, effort, money, and waste the newer stuff can offer. I stay out of most conversations about maintenance intervals because there's just no point in trying to convince people that it's nearly as bad to do too much as it is to do too little.
Say hi to the family in Sachse!
 
Say hi to the family in Sachse!
I have a friend - Methodist pastor - who once led the congregation in Sachse. I live some 40 miles away from there. I also had a coworker several years ago whose husband was a city council member there. It used to be BFE, but the DFW area has grown so much it's now another suburb.
 
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I started with a 5k mile OCI using M1 5W-30 on the GDI turbo in my 2007 MS3. UOAs indicated that was conservative so I increased it to 7.5k miles. UOAs at that OCI showed a 10k interval would work, but I stayed at 7.5k to correspond with other required services. It was running great after 8 years and 158k miles when I flipped it for the 2er. My 3 newest cars use a 10k OCI with no issues. My son ran a 15k OCI in his E90 328i and it is running great at 150k.
 
In Europe, I think cars only go for so long, and then they are crushed. I remember Japan was kind of like this also. I could be wrong.
Years ago if you went to a truck stop the trucks in the parking lot would be idling at about 1500 RPM. Then everyone started pushing idling at an actual idle, many articles were written about cylinder wash problems and how this low idle would take many miles of life off an engine. So after three years of this low idle stuff, they trade them in. How long the truck engine lasts for the next owner? Good question. I guess if you trade your car in and you go with high mileage oil changes, it's the next guy who deals with it. This subject is like arguing about what beer tastes the best or what brand truck is the best. I try to change my oil twice a year, right before it gets hot or cold. Usually at low mileage. Fifteen minutes and about 25 dollars, it's easy.
Nah, not true at all that all cars are crushed after x time, i have never even heard of any country that does that...
 
Nah, not true at all that all cars are crushed after x time, i have never even heard of any country that does that...
They did it to A dutch guy where I stayed at. He had a small car and it looked nice. He explained about his car being crushed. I think it was too old.
I wonder about dangerous rust buckets on the roads in certain states.
I also see people selling farm tractors and car parts from Japan that are from vehicles with so many miles or hours on them. I think they have laws about replacing vehicles also.
Big Rigs with a million-plus miles on them are sold to Mexican companies that clean them up and keep using them. I think of the wear and tear on the frame over that many miles and think these trucks should be scrapped.
 
I went up a wait in oil from the 0w-20 to 5W30 and it has slowed down the consumption. I followed the maintenance meter and still check oil about once a week. I end up having to top off about 100 ml or so every week. I think some of these oils truly could do 20,000 mile intervals. But I don't think stop and go nor the small oil sumps will allow it to do such. You got a naturally aspirated port fuel injection that does all highway cruising and holds seven or eight quarts of oil and uses a premium oil and air filter it's quite possible. When I see these oil pans holding about 3 quarts I wouldn't push it any farther than about 4000 miles on a synthetic
 
I am still trying to get my head around a jug of oil that says it is good for 20,000 miles. The miles statement being for the US.

since my eyes are getting weaker, when I see "20,000 miles" oil like the M1 EP 10W-30 that I buy, my brain thinks may be it says 7500 miles and not 20,000 miles that my eyes think to see so I change the oil at about 7500 miles!

in order to save money and not to change the oil too early, I may need to visit an eye doctor or a psychiatrist. However, the Dr. visits are going to cost me way more than price of early oil changes so I continue with early OCIs . :alien:
 
since my eyes are getting weaker, when I see "20,000 miles" oil like the M1 EP 10W-30 that I buy, my brain thinks may be it says 7500 miles and not 20,000 miles that my eyes think to see so I change the oil at about 7500 miles!

in order to save money and not to change the oil too early, I may need to visit an eye doctor or a psychiatrist. However, the Dr. visits are going to cost me way more than price of early oil changes so I continue with early OCIs . :alien:
Well if you buy it for 7500 maybe you should buy AFE that is good for 10 thousand miles. Overthinking things, if it is good for 20 K… Oil is a balancing act and there is a better oil for you IMO.
 
I change at 5,000 miles but will gladly put it in a jug if anyone else wants it.:p
I used lots of recycled oil over the years. I've had a couple of oil burners/leakers that were used for work cars so when I'd change the oil in my better cars I'd rebottle the used oil for topping off oil in the work car. I did this in an '88 Escort for probably between 150-200K miles. When I retired the car at 518K miles for other reasons it was still running great. I'm not really sure how much it was leaking and how much it was burning but I know at the end it was leaking pretty good at the rear main.
 
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