Having sold them I could never understand the attraction to them. I mean they were good cars, but not as good as the owners made them out to be.
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Having sold them I could never understand the attraction to them. I mean they were good cars, but not as good as the owners made them out to be.
JMO
I concur, disappointed former owner. I wish I listened to the salesman back in the day trying to talk me into a Accord Coupe LX instead of my Civic EX coupe. The Accord Coupe although on lot was not much more money.
Having sold them I could never understand the attraction to them. I mean they were good cars, but not as good as the owners made them out to be.
I concur, disappointed former owner. I wish I listened to the salesman back in the day trying to talk me into a Accord Coupe LX instead of my Civic EX coupe. The Accord Coupe although on lot was not much more money.
Originally Posted By: OceanDoctor
Honda's designs are disappointing me the most. What's with the back of the new Civic? It looks like an 04 Camry!
Yes!! I saw my first new Civic a few weeks ago (from behind) and the VERY first thing that popped into my mind was that I was looking a Toyota. I thought "that Toyota looks a little odd" - I get closer and see it's a new Civic.
Honda's designs are disappointing me the most. What's with the back of the new Civic? It looks like an 04 Camry!
Yes!! I saw my first new Civic a few weeks ago (from behind) and the VERY first thing that popped into my mind was that I was looking a Toyota. I thought "that Toyota looks a little odd" - I get closer and see it's a new Civic.
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Originally Posted By: bigmike
I notice that alot of people equate Honda quality equally when speaking about Accord or Civic. I don't notice this when people are talking about any other car manufacturer's vehicles.
I think they're probably speaking from the past, which is easy to do.
The Detroit Three have typically put higher quality interiors in their larger cars than in their smaller cars. Honda and Toyota, in contrast, have offered some of their best quality and materials in their smallest cars. It's not hard to guess why this is. American automakers' bread and butter has been larger cars and trucks, and the Japanese have always focused on smaller vehicles.
Ironically, this is turning around, and the interior quality (and overall quality) of American small cars is at least as good as their larger cars, and the Japanese seem to be cheapening their small cars as of late.
It'll be interesting to see if and how this trend evolves over the next decade.
I notice that alot of people equate Honda quality equally when speaking about Accord or Civic. I don't notice this when people are talking about any other car manufacturer's vehicles.
I think they're probably speaking from the past, which is easy to do.
The Detroit Three have typically put higher quality interiors in their larger cars than in their smaller cars. Honda and Toyota, in contrast, have offered some of their best quality and materials in their smallest cars. It's not hard to guess why this is. American automakers' bread and butter has been larger cars and trucks, and the Japanese have always focused on smaller vehicles.
Ironically, this is turning around, and the interior quality (and overall quality) of American small cars is at least as good as their larger cars, and the Japanese seem to be cheapening their small cars as of late.
It'll be interesting to see if and how this trend evolves over the next decade.
... and here is what Honda does when faced with a little bit of criticism, fire right back that there is nothing wrong with their offerings. I just can't wait until they start crying about perception gaps
I though that Japanese were good at learning from mistakes of others, I guess not.
Honda Cancels Its Subscription To Consumer Reports, May Start Reading Motor Trend Instead
I though that Japanese were good at learning from mistakes of others, I guess not.
Honda Cancels Its Subscription To Consumer Reports, May Start Reading Motor Trend Instead
^I enjoyed the video. Quite honestly, typical media reaction(I agree with the statement that ConRep dramatized and sensationalized their report):
Different can't be better. OR, surface(yes, even blatant errors that perhaps could be argued as to the need of warranty replacement, if beyond cosmetic perhaps)...
Time will tell about engine and transmission longevity(along with drive train etc) and this 'attempt' at a new model design may go away or be changed again in just a few years if it's really "THAT" terrible, yet perhaps can be improved upon as they 'perfect' the new pitch.
Still, being closed-minded remains a mental/emotional disorder make no mistake about it, it's a learned behavior from a collective culture of being critical and negative.
What is the primary function of an automobile? It costs money to transport yourself and that remains the case. Transportation is a luxury in life that is taken for granted. If the vehicle is reliable first, then we can talk about cosmetics...as if the person getting a ride to the ER cares about anything but the need for transportation.
...my point is this:
The Civic has been one of the most reliable vehicles in...history? What is the big deal with functionality and reliability of the car's primary purpose + getting 'actual' real world fuel efficiency and not just selling a number.
That said, I still prefer certain generation Civic's to others based on what I like. /troff
Different can't be better. OR, surface(yes, even blatant errors that perhaps could be argued as to the need of warranty replacement, if beyond cosmetic perhaps)...
Time will tell about engine and transmission longevity(along with drive train etc) and this 'attempt' at a new model design may go away or be changed again in just a few years if it's really "THAT" terrible, yet perhaps can be improved upon as they 'perfect' the new pitch.
Still, being closed-minded remains a mental/emotional disorder make no mistake about it, it's a learned behavior from a collective culture of being critical and negative.
What is the primary function of an automobile? It costs money to transport yourself and that remains the case. Transportation is a luxury in life that is taken for granted. If the vehicle is reliable first, then we can talk about cosmetics...as if the person getting a ride to the ER cares about anything but the need for transportation.
...my point is this:
The Civic has been one of the most reliable vehicles in...history? What is the big deal with functionality and reliability of the car's primary purpose + getting 'actual' real world fuel efficiency and not just selling a number.
That said, I still prefer certain generation Civic's to others based on what I like. /troff
Honda has to look down a bit and knows that in bad economy what sells a small economical car is incentives, reliability and MPG. Hence that is where they cut the corners in cosmetics and luxury. Most Civic buyers and such don't care about flush interior but rather price point, MPG and long term reliability where Honda stands strong. It is wht it is. I doubt a Civic can be beaten in terms of overal technical design, functionality and reliability. Just recall that Corolla and Civic are the top sellers and have such reputation in longivity with Mazda 3 closing the gap..
Ya know, I was a Honda fan/buyer for quite awhile(Toyota too) but, not anymore! There are just too many good vehicles on the market today. It ain't all about Honda anymore!
It isn't just about reliability anymore, a vehicle need to be nice to drive, comfortable to sit in, easy to get in/out of, decent materials too. I used to love driving Hondas but, if I had to be a passenger, Honda's kinda sucked! I'd prefer a Lincoln for the passenger thing.
I've been reading reviews on Honda products lately and the new Honda models aren't even scoring as high as the models thay're replacing. Oddssey, Pilot, Civic, even the Accord. And then there is the new CR-Z and Insight!
Went to a downtown party at our Convention Center and missplaced my car keys(which were found the next and turned in @lost/found). Friends of our took us home later in the evening in their Acura RL. Thing road hard and was actualy noisy while riding in the rear. WHHHAAATTT! Are you kidding me!
I didn't say anything. I just thanked them kindly and invited them in for coffee or a nightcap
It isn't just about reliability anymore, a vehicle need to be nice to drive, comfortable to sit in, easy to get in/out of, decent materials too. I used to love driving Hondas but, if I had to be a passenger, Honda's kinda sucked! I'd prefer a Lincoln for the passenger thing.
I've been reading reviews on Honda products lately and the new Honda models aren't even scoring as high as the models thay're replacing. Oddssey, Pilot, Civic, even the Accord. And then there is the new CR-Z and Insight!
Went to a downtown party at our Convention Center and missplaced my car keys(which were found the next and turned in @lost/found). Friends of our took us home later in the evening in their Acura RL. Thing road hard and was actualy noisy while riding in the rear. WHHHAAATTT! Are you kidding me!
I didn't say anything. I just thanked them kindly and invited them in for coffee or a nightcap
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The complaint about Honda Accords and Civics that all of the car magazines have is the amount of road noise they both have. They must have really cheapened out on the noise insulation.
hondas have been cheap on sound deadening and air tight seal of the passenger compartment since forever. my 2000 accord is louder than my 2006 ultra economy box scion xA, and it leaks stinky sulfur smell every time I pass by the sulfur plant, that is with everything close super tight.(tested back when accord was new). My dad's 2005 Odyssey has the same weak air seal, just a little better.
We've owned several Hondas 86, 94, 99, and I have never noticed this issue. Actually I think all these cars I mention even have double seals on the doors!
Originally Posted By: urchin
We've owned several Hondas 86, 94, 99, and I have never noticed this issue. Actually I think all these cars I mention even have double seals on the doors!
With all windows and doors shut, compare those side by side with a toyota and see how little force it takes to close the doors on the Hondas from 3 inches ajar. Notice it takes a little more force on the toyotas because good seal prevents air from escaping and air pressure forces back on the door you're trying to close.
And compare the engine and road noise in the cabin, you will find Toyotas to be quieter.
We've owned several Hondas 86, 94, 99, and I have never noticed this issue. Actually I think all these cars I mention even have double seals on the doors!
With all windows and doors shut, compare those side by side with a toyota and see how little force it takes to close the doors on the Hondas from 3 inches ajar. Notice it takes a little more force on the toyotas because good seal prevents air from escaping and air pressure forces back on the door you're trying to close.
And compare the engine and road noise in the cabin, you will find Toyotas to be quieter.
I've been in Both various years of Camry and Accord. Honestly I don't notice the road noise as being unusually loud. Actually I think this has become the next marketing talking point, the last one was "the rear seat doesn't have enough leg room". Sheesh! What baloney.
Originally Posted By: Persocon
hondas have been cheap on sound deadening and air tight seal of the passenger compartment since forever. my 2000 accord is louder than my 2006 ultra economy box scion xA, and it leaks stinky sulfur smell every time I pass by the sulfur plant, that is with everything close super tight.(tested back when accord was new). My dad's 2005 Odyssey has the same weak air seal, just a little better.
Maybe the xA just has a better cabin air filter
If any of those cars were airtight, you would asphyxiate with the A/C on recirc.
Originally Posted By: urchin
... the last one was "the rear seat doesn't have enough leg room". Sheesh! What baloney.
The EPA classifies the current Accord as a fullsize or "large" car. The current Accord feels bigger on the inside to me than the current Taurus. How much more legroom does one need?
hondas have been cheap on sound deadening and air tight seal of the passenger compartment since forever. my 2000 accord is louder than my 2006 ultra economy box scion xA, and it leaks stinky sulfur smell every time I pass by the sulfur plant, that is with everything close super tight.(tested back when accord was new). My dad's 2005 Odyssey has the same weak air seal, just a little better.
Maybe the xA just has a better cabin air filter
If any of those cars were airtight, you would asphyxiate with the A/C on recirc.
Originally Posted By: urchin
... the last one was "the rear seat doesn't have enough leg room". Sheesh! What baloney.
The EPA classifies the current Accord as a fullsize or "large" car. The current Accord feels bigger on the inside to me than the current Taurus. How much more legroom does one need?
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Originally Posted By: Persocon
hondas have been cheap on sound deadening and air tight seal of the passenger compartment since forever. my 2000 accord is louder than my 2006 ultra economy box scion xA, and it leaks stinky sulfur smell every time I pass by the sulfur plant, that is with everything close super tight.(tested back when accord was new). My dad's 2005 Odyssey has the same weak air seal, just a little better.
Maybe the xA just has a better cabin air filter
If any of those cars were airtight, you would asphyxiate with the A/C on recirc.
Originally Posted By: urchin
... the last one was "the rear seat doesn't have enough leg room". Sheesh! What baloney.
The EPA classifies the current Accord as a fullsize or "large" car. The current Accord feels bigger on the inside to me than the current Taurus. How much more legroom does one need?
You'd probably still smell it regardless of cabin air filter. My BMW has two of them, and has a "stink detector" as part of the climate control that will switch off pulling from the outside and go to recirc when it detects foul odours in the air. Then transition back to pulling in fresh air once it sense the air doesn't stink anymore.
Maybe the one has a greater percentage of recirc as part of the regular HVAC system than the other?
Originally Posted By: Persocon
hondas have been cheap on sound deadening and air tight seal of the passenger compartment since forever. my 2000 accord is louder than my 2006 ultra economy box scion xA, and it leaks stinky sulfur smell every time I pass by the sulfur plant, that is with everything close super tight.(tested back when accord was new). My dad's 2005 Odyssey has the same weak air seal, just a little better.
Maybe the xA just has a better cabin air filter
If any of those cars were airtight, you would asphyxiate with the A/C on recirc.
Originally Posted By: urchin
... the last one was "the rear seat doesn't have enough leg room". Sheesh! What baloney.
The EPA classifies the current Accord as a fullsize or "large" car. The current Accord feels bigger on the inside to me than the current Taurus. How much more legroom does one need?
You'd probably still smell it regardless of cabin air filter. My BMW has two of them, and has a "stink detector" as part of the climate control that will switch off pulling from the outside and go to recirc when it detects foul odours in the air. Then transition back to pulling in fresh air once it sense the air doesn't stink anymore.
Maybe the one has a greater percentage of recirc as part of the regular HVAC system than the other?
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Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
You'd probably still smell it regardless of cabin air filter. My BMW has two of them, and has a "stink detector" as part of the climate control that will switch off pulling from the outside and go to recirc when it detects foul odours in the air. Then transition back to pulling in fresh air once it sense the air doesn't stink anymore.
What happens if someone farts in the car, does the stink detector switch to pulling in outside air? Or would it just roll down all four windows really fast?
You'd probably still smell it regardless of cabin air filter. My BMW has two of them, and has a "stink detector" as part of the climate control that will switch off pulling from the outside and go to recirc when it detects foul odours in the air. Then transition back to pulling in fresh air once it sense the air doesn't stink anymore.
What happens if someone farts in the car, does the stink detector switch to pulling in outside air? Or would it just roll down all four windows really fast?
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Originally Posted By: Patman
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
You'd probably still smell it regardless of cabin air filter. My BMW has two of them, and has a "stink detector" as part of the climate control that will switch off pulling from the outside and go to recirc when it detects foul odours in the air. Then transition back to pulling in fresh air once it sense the air doesn't stink anymore.
What happens if someone farts in the car, does the stink detector switch to pulling in outside air? Or would it just roll down all four windows really fast?
I think it does actually, LOL! (switch to outside air).
I haven't tried it out yet, but with all this maritime food into us, I'm sure I'll have the chance
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
You'd probably still smell it regardless of cabin air filter. My BMW has two of them, and has a "stink detector" as part of the climate control that will switch off pulling from the outside and go to recirc when it detects foul odours in the air. Then transition back to pulling in fresh air once it sense the air doesn't stink anymore.
What happens if someone farts in the car, does the stink detector switch to pulling in outside air? Or would it just roll down all four windows really fast?
I think it does actually, LOL! (switch to outside air).
I haven't tried it out yet, but with all this maritime food into us, I'm sure I'll have the chance
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Having sold them I could never understand the attraction to them. I mean they were good cars, but not as good as the owners made them out to be.
JMO
Then what were you doing selling them?
Having sold them I could never understand the attraction to them. I mean they were good cars, but not as good as the owners made them out to be.
Then what were you doing selling them?
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Having sold them I could never understand the attraction to them. I mean they were good cars, but not as good as the owners made them out to be.
JMO
Then what were you doing selling them?
Making a living I assume? The guy at the Chrysler dealer I bought my M5 from used to work for a BMW dealer. He had a lot of very good things to say about BMW. But he sells Chryslers now.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Having sold them I could never understand the attraction to them. I mean they were good cars, but not as good as the owners made them out to be.
Then what were you doing selling them?
Making a living I assume? The guy at the Chrysler dealer I bought my M5 from used to work for a BMW dealer. He had a lot of very good things to say about BMW. But he sells Chryslers now.
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