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If you can keep your current car running long enough, hold out for the new 2014 Mazda3. I imagine it will get close to mid 40's MPG if they go all skyactiv on it.
Or see if you can score a deal on a 2012 Mazda3 skyactiv - read some reviews on the 6 speed auto - sounds like one that could replace a manual for me.
 
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
go for the hyundai they build good cars stay away from the toyota


The Elantra gets lower gas mileage than other cars in the same class. And a Prius definitely beats the Elantra in that department.
 
Originally Posted By: asiancivicmaniac
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
go for the hyundai they build good cars stay away from the toyota


The Elantra gets lower gas mileage than other cars in the same class. And a Prius definitely beats the Elantra in that department.


The Prius is definitely all numbers and no fun. And yes, the Elantra seems to underdeliver.
 
I think you should make room in your garage for a 6
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Based on our experiences Mazda 3i gt is an excellent value for money, especially if you catch it at the right sale. We got nearly $5k off stcker for our mz3 and like it more each day. Not a big fan of the tires it came with or oem halogen bulbs. Both easy fix, rest of the car has been phenomenal. The skyactiv auto will blow your mind with the instantaneous rev matched downshifts and seemless upshifts. The harder you drive it, the more you will it. Our highest mpg so far has been 38 mpg with cruising between 75-80 mph.
 
Originally Posted By: asiancivicmaniac
I think you should make room in your garage for a 6
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I'm basically a recycle bin away. I've already moved the trash can though, and the chest freezer needs an outlet.
 
I think the Cruze, Focus and Mazda3 are the best choices in compacts. The Cruze seems to be the most squared away package. But I'd drive all three and take a close look and then decide.
 
It's a tough call, I agree on the Civic but the powertrain works very well and is reliable. I have had mine 60K miles now and the motor/trans have not skipped a beat at all.

I don't like the Mazda exteriors and if you live in salted areas kiss the body of the car goodbye. The interior is really nice on Mazda cars though.

Focus is really nice but it's hard to get past the super busy center stack, and the back seat is horrible.

For those reasons alone, I would say the Cruze is the best bet choice. I have always liked the way they look, and the package is pretty complete. I hope the Civic gets a massive overhaul over the next couple model years, because even though they fixed the quality concerns from the 2012 for the 2013, the car is still the same basic sheet metal, and it's blah.
 
Originally Posted By: VicVinegar
I cleared the code on my Civic and it didn't come back immediately, but it is still trying to overheat when idling. Or more accurately, the temperature rose and then came back down on its own. Haven't drove enough to truly "clear" the code yet. I meant to do it tonight, but decided to have a drink instead after dealing with car dealerships. Radiator fan kicks on when I observed it, so who knows what it is. Headgasket? I don't want to get on a crazy hunt to fix a 13 year old, 212k car with broken a/c, needing a timing belt/water pump, needing new brakes, with a stripped oil drain plug. Plus my wife is apparently embarrassed by it.

Anyway, here is the deal. I drive about 85 miles a day roundtrip for my commute. It is DC area traffic. Some days it is 70 the whole way. Others, I am crawling at 5 mph for an hour before it breaks up. Some it is darn near 20-30 mph the whole way. I need something comfortable and fuel efficient. Performance is a bonus for switching lanes and stopping fast on these "ghost" traffic jams we get. I'm used to 30-32 mpg from my Civic, I'd like to keep it there, if not higher. I don't have a huge garage, and I keep my car garaged. I fit a 2005 4Runner in there yesterday after some rearranging, so my max length is probably 189". No new Accords or unfortunately the Mazda 6. I might still see if I can find another place to shove the recycle bin. For now, I'm assuming it won't fit. I'm used to a sunroof and would like one on my next car. So no Honda Fit. My concerns are "real world" gas mileage compared to EPA. I've been digging through fueleconomy.gov and Fuelly to try and figure out who the pretenders are.

Ultimately I am buying I car I don't really want, but am buying for the numbers. I thought about an Acura TSX until I looked at my yearly fuel expenses. So I'm back to "economy" cars. Honestly, this is the first "new" car I've looked for since college and I couldn't be less excited about it. Darn commute and my practicality/cheapness. But, gas on a TSX vs. a Civic for 5 years is about $4k for me. That is a trip to Europe. Or money towards the next car.

So far I've looked at the following:
Prius IV - It is a Prius. I like it because it consistently seems to deliver high 40's mpg. The nav system didn't see bad either. Apparently brakes last forever. Downside: It is a Prius. Rearward visibility. Acceleration or lack there of. Although I found a used 2010 CPO for much less with low miles. It is probably the ultimate commuter appliance, I'll give it that. A hybrid will also get me into the HOV lane of one of the roads I take home.

Honda Civic EX-L Navi - Decent acceleration, seemed comfortable enough, I've had a good run with Honda. Liked the steering wheel. Fuelly/Fueleconomy.gov say it delivers what it advertises for fuel economy. I believe the motor is not direct injection. Downside: Lacking features others have at that price point (in particular auto-dimming mirror...tired of being blinded by pickup trucks and SUVs). I think its ugly. The Prius might look better. Nav system is the same my mother's 2009 CR-V has. Small rear window.

Kia Forte EX - Features galore: Heated/cooled driver seat, heated steering wheel, HID headlights. UVO Navigation system is one of the better in the business. Better looking than Prius or Civic. Just won a Motor Trend comparison for the class. I won't blow through warranty in no time like the others. Downside: Kia is a bit "unknown" for quality, especially with all the toys in it. Unknown ability to deliver advertised fuel economy since it is a new model. 17" wheels means I can't replace tires with awesome Michelin Defenders. Small rear window. DI motor.

Mazda 3i Grand Touring - I need to test drive this again. Off my memory from a few months ago, the navigation left a little to be desired. Ugly, but not as bad as the Civic. Hatchback is a plus. Appears to deliver as advertised for fuel economy. Don't remember it being any more peppy than the Civic or Forte.

So basically, any thoughts? I've written off VW. I'm not dealing with the TDIs and their HPFPs. I even entertained getting a GTI with warranty for a while, but even 27 mpg on premium adds up over the years. I might still go see a Chevy Cruze. Hyundai 1.8L motors seem to underwhelm on real world fuel economy. The Forte is a 2.0L. Used is definitely an option. I've just considered getting a certified used Civic or Corolla and calling it a day. Unfortunately CPO Civics are almost as much as the new ones. Again, I may see if I could squeeze a couple more inches into the garage and open up the Accord and Mazda 6 to consideration, mostly for the Mazda 6.

Again, I'd like to keep a sunroof. I'd like navigation with traffic to maybe save some time on commutes. I've used Waze and Google Navigation on my phone and they just don't get that done. Other than that, I just need a USB/Aux port for music and/or bluetooth audio. Higher gas mileage the better. Reliable is a must.


Older Dodge pickup with Cummins diesel. Good mileage (25) and people move over for you went you want to change lanes. Who wants to mess with a pickup where the engine alone is 1000 lbs.
 
You can get a top of the line Fiesta for less than a lot of cars on that list. It's only about an inch shorter than a 6th gen Civic. (sedan). Same size engine.

You don't get a sunroof and it is made in Mexico if that matters to you.

4-door Sonic is about the same size as the 4-door Fiesta. You can get a sunroof. The 1.8 has a timing belt.

Mazda2 spent all the money on chassis tuning. It's lighter and more spartan than the Fiest but it is more fun than a hot-tub full of Stepford wives when the road gets twisty. No sedan.

I liked a lot about the Elantra - then I drove it. Best description? Corolla. It's a flashy Corolla. Competent but uninspired.

How about a Veloster? Don't know how reliable the Direct Injected engine is.
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But the wife might not be embarrassed by it. Or she might. Depends on her personal opinion of the funky 3 door. But it is unique and should get good gas mileage
 
Originally Posted By: Donald
Originally Posted By: VicVinegar
I cleared the code on my Civic and it didn't come back immediately, but it is still trying to overheat when idling. Or more accurately, the temperature rose and then came back down on its own. Haven't drove enough to truly "clear" the code yet. I meant to do it tonight, but decided to have a drink instead after dealing with car dealerships. Radiator fan kicks on when I observed it, so who knows what it is. Headgasket? I don't want to get on a crazy hunt to fix a 13 year old, 212k car with broken a/c, needing a timing belt/water pump, needing new brakes, with a stripped oil drain plug. Plus my wife is apparently embarrassed by it.

Anyway, here is the deal. I drive about 85 miles a day roundtrip for my commute. It is DC area traffic. Some days it is 70 the whole way. Others, I am crawling at 5 mph for an hour before it breaks up. Some it is darn near 20-30 mph the whole way. I need something comfortable and fuel efficient. Performance is a bonus for switching lanes and stopping fast on these "ghost" traffic jams we get. I'm used to 30-32 mpg from my Civic, I'd like to keep it there, if not higher. I don't have a huge garage, and I keep my car garaged. I fit a 2005 4Runner in there yesterday after some rearranging, so my max length is probably 189". No new Accords or unfortunately the Mazda 6. I might still see if I can find another place to shove the recycle bin. For now, I'm assuming it won't fit. I'm used to a sunroof and would like one on my next car. So no Honda Fit. My concerns are "real world" gas mileage compared to EPA. I've been digging through fueleconomy.gov and Fuelly to try and figure out who the pretenders are.

Ultimately I am buying I car I don't really want, but am buying for the numbers. I thought about an Acura TSX until I looked at my yearly fuel expenses. So I'm back to "economy" cars. Honestly, this is the first "new" car I've looked for since college and I couldn't be less excited about it. Darn commute and my practicality/cheapness. But, gas on a TSX vs. a Civic for 5 years is about $4k for me. That is a trip to Europe. Or money towards the next car.

So far I've looked at the following:
Prius IV - It is a Prius. I like it because it consistently seems to deliver high 40's mpg. The nav system didn't see bad either. Apparently brakes last forever. Downside: It is a Prius. Rearward visibility. Acceleration or lack there of. Although I found a used 2010 CPO for much less with low miles. It is probably the ultimate commuter appliance, I'll give it that. A hybrid will also get me into the HOV lane of one of the roads I take home.

Honda Civic EX-L Navi - Decent acceleration, seemed comfortable enough, I've had a good run with Honda. Liked the steering wheel. Fuelly/Fueleconomy.gov say it delivers what it advertises for fuel economy. I believe the motor is not direct injection. Downside: Lacking features others have at that price point (in particular auto-dimming mirror...tired of being blinded by pickup trucks and SUVs). I think its ugly. The Prius might look better. Nav system is the same my mother's 2009 CR-V has. Small rear window.

Kia Forte EX - Features galore: Heated/cooled driver seat, heated steering wheel, HID headlights. UVO Navigation system is one of the better in the business. Better looking than Prius or Civic. Just won a Motor Trend comparison for the class. I won't blow through warranty in no time like the others. Downside: Kia is a bit "unknown" for quality, especially with all the toys in it. Unknown ability to deliver advertised fuel economy since it is a new model. 17" wheels means I can't replace tires with awesome Michelin Defenders. Small rear window. DI motor.

Mazda 3i Grand Touring - I need to test drive this again. Off my memory from a few months ago, the navigation left a little to be desired. Ugly, but not as bad as the Civic. Hatchback is a plus. Appears to deliver as advertised for fuel economy. Don't remember it being any more peppy than the Civic or Forte.

So basically, any thoughts? I've written off VW. I'm not dealing with the TDIs and their HPFPs. I even entertained getting a GTI with warranty for a while, but even 27 mpg on premium adds up over the years. I might still go see a Chevy Cruze. Hyundai 1.8L motors seem to underwhelm on real world fuel economy. The Forte is a 2.0L. Used is definitely an option. I've just considered getting a certified used Civic or Corolla and calling it a day. Unfortunately CPO Civics are almost as much as the new ones. Again, I may see if I could squeeze a couple more inches into the garage and open up the Accord and Mazda 6 to consideration, mostly for the Mazda 6.

Again, I'd like to keep a sunroof. I'd like navigation with traffic to maybe save some time on commutes. I've used Waze and Google Navigation on my phone and they just don't get that done. Other than that, I just need a USB/Aux port for music and/or bluetooth audio. Higher gas mileage the better. Reliable is a must.


Older Dodge pickup with Cummins diesel. Good mileage (25) and people move over for you went you want to change lanes. Who wants to mess with a pickup where the engine alone is 1000 lbs.


Did you actually read anything that he wrote?
 
I'd go with the 3. As ugly as Mazda made the current gen, they are still one of the best handling, best built small cars out there. The primary downsides are the appearance, a horrendous dealer network (many are just used car lot con artists), and some material quality issues.

My mom and sister both have 2.0L 3s, and my cousin used to have a 2.3 3. They are great driving little cars. Even the 2.0L is peppy, and the automatics have perfect, crisp shifting. They don't gear hunt a lot, or do lazy butter shifts. It is one of the quickest shifting, "tightest" automatics I have ever driven. Steering feel and other driving dynamics are also great for the class...it's a fun car to throw around, but also very forgiving in commuter situations. Basically it's very livable.

The problems...
- A/C is horrible - true of every 3 I have ever been in, including the three that were bought new in my family.
- Your dealer will most likely be horrible - maybe they couldn't iron out a deal with Mitsubishi or Suzuki or something, so they went Mazda. Mazda dealers tend to be awful. Do not use for service, do not buy warranties or service packages, do not go back. Get the car and run. If there is a warranty repair, you may be SOL. My mom thought she was being diligent when she took her 3 in for a power steering recall...it turned into a multiple visit nightmare when they fly by night crooks at two Mazda dealers botched the repair repeatedly.
- Materials - frayed seat belts and fabric on an '08, which is totally unacceptable. No vehicle my mom has owned before this has ever had messed up seat fabric or seat belts, let alone after 5 years. Other materials seem good, even above average, but Mazda fabrics/carpets are terrible. Actual assembly is good and tight - no rattles or squeaks.

Other than that, absolutely fantastic cars. Few mechanical issues, fun to drive, just an all around good design with a few hangups that are mostly not the car's fault. The terrible dealers are really the worst part of Mazda ownership.

For commuter car comparison, my dad has an '04 Civic Hybrid. If I had to drive that car everyday, I'd lose it. Horrible driving dynamics...I don't really know what driving a toaster would be like, but I imagine it would be like this car. The CVT is a lifeless, unreliable thing, sound system is unacceptable for a car built in the last 20 years, seats are rock hard (but look nice), fit and finish really isn't that great (probably not as good as the 3, just has better fabrics), and everything around the fantastic gas engine falls apart. The little 80 or 90 HP gas engine in that car has been absolutely flawless, needing literally nothing but oil changes and maybe an air filter or two...everything else has been flawed, sometimes severely (like $8K+ in warranty covered repairs severe).
 
Vic,

You didn't mention if you were handy enough to try to do some of the repairs on the civic yourself. Also what is your wife embarrassed about with the civic? The mechanical problems, or are there cosmetic issues as well with the car?

Is the civic manual or automatic? I'm guessing with all the traffic you wouldn't want a manual transmission. A honda civic can do 350,000 miles easily. I would find a honda specialist if you are not handy and get those repairs done. Buying a new car that you are going to rack up the mileage in doesn't make sense to me.

Regards, JC.
 
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
I think the Cruze, Focus and Mazda3 are the best choices in compacts.

+1, just going on cosmetics and styling alone, I'd list them as:

  • 1. Mazda 3 (only bad thing is the "smile" for the grill, like you said).
  • 2. Focus
  • 3. Cruze

That's just my preferences though.
 
Nobody mentioned that the prius gets you in the hov lane. Tie breaker for me. Saves you time and its safer. Less wear and tear on you because your not worried about people cutting in on you.
 
I did read that you scratched the TDi (unfairly in my opinion - but your prerogative).

You know there is a Jetta Hybrid? Granted it is expensive but there are a few out there getting near Prius mileage and it does have a pulse and HOV lane access.

Other than that , Focus SFE?
 
Originally Posted By: Burt
Nobody mentioned that the prius gets you in the hov lane. Tie breaker for me. Saves you time and its safer. Less wear and tear on you because your not worried about people cutting in on you.


This. HOV lane access is worth a lot with a 45-60 minute drive each way.
 
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