I don't know - it seems more difficult to buy a car

[Allaneddie]

See original post (I don't have unlimited data plan).

Yeah I didn't understand the post that you need a lot of updates. Especially Interstate roads don't change that much.

Sounds like you would do fine with a paper map.

 

[RhondaHonda]

The developer doesn’t keep the HOA fee. It can be lowered by a vote of the members or some other method.

 

[Danno]

Look for a 2022 or older version Grand Cherokee. Solid vehicle, drives great, infotainment system is simple and works great.
As always, imo.

 

[eljefino]

Navigation systems have always been subscription-based.

Old navigation systems that used discs and SD-cards are accurate for only a short period of time. To maintain accuracy, something that's pretty important for navigation, you need to buy a new one. Year after year, you'd need to buy a new SD-card or nav disc.

Sounds a lot like a subscription, doesn't it?

I mean, you could always not buy the updated disc or card but what good is the navigation system if it's incorrect? It's a bit like recording yesterday's news broadcast and watching it again and again. Yeah, you can say you watch the news every day, but you're not really watching the news.

I had a Garmin GPS that I was able to update with a free open source map file found on the internet. The gizmo was useable out of the box, with then-current maps, it only cost money to upgrade. That was a fair deal and gave options to both people who want to upgrade and to people who wanted to live in 2005 or whenever they bought the thing.

Naturally it appears they got out of the consumer GPS business since cell phones and cars have taken over the job. A parallel avenue for upgrading probably didn't help.

I also strongly resist the subscription model, to the point of quasi-ethical hacking to make things work forever.

 

[AZjeff]

HOA = Home Owner's Association, not Developer's Pocket. If the development is built out as OP seems to indicate the evil developer is out of the picture and will have to find another way to send his kids to Harvard. But let's not let reality get in the way of a good rant.

Man shakes fist at every cloud in the sky.

 

[urdrwho]

Holy topic change, Batman! We didn't even make it out of the first post.

I've only been replying to other people's posts. Kind of following in their lane.

 

[CapitalTruck]

It's not like the roads change that much. My GPS is probably 20 years old and still works just fine. I just have to remember not to attempt to use the Key Bridge.

I hate towing a trailer from DC to Pennsylvania now because you can't use the tunnel due to Hazmat restrictions (LP Tanks). Not having that bridge has added significant time.

 

[dubber09]

That's the new reality - they want everything 'subscription' based, nobody needs to own nothing, just to pay a monthly fee....

 

[PF52]

I've only been replying to other people's posts. Kind of following in their lane.

How did HOAs make it into the very first post?

All that's missing is a rant about left-lane drivers.

 

[Owen Lucas]

So it seems that the subscription model has taken hold in cars. Then of course there is my disdain for CVT transmissions which limits our sources of cars. It seems I am back to my axiom that when we find a car, the 2019 may be the newest model we will ever own. Our 2011 Honda CR-V runs great and has a Nav system that I paid @ $50 for disc to update the Nav. To me that's fair and reasonable and if I chose not to update -- I'd still have the working Nav.

I drive an 2020 Honda CRV Hybrid and a 21 Pilot. We have a subscription to the Pilot for remote unlock, tracking, fuel level, etc. Not necessary but it's not a service that is possible without a fee due to the cellular connection. IIRC $125 a year, not bad. The CR-V has no subscriptions and the NAV is supposedly outdated. I use google maps anyway and it's not like new highways are being built out here.

The reality is now you have to take subscription costs into consideration when buying a car. Do you want remote start and app based services? If not, don't subscribe and you will be fine with the way the car is.

 

[IndyIan]

Maybe just get the last year of a CRV with regular transmission and the 2.4? Keep it oil sprayed and you won't need to worry about cars for 10-15 years?
I'm with you, as I don't really want anything more complicated that what I've got now, but I can still fix and fiddle with old simple cars hopefully for a couple more decades.

 

[opus1]

It's not like the roads change that much. My GPS is probably 20 years old and still works just fine. I just have to remember not to attempt to use the Key Bridge.

Definitely. This happened near Chicago - originally the story was that they drove around barriers and signs indicating that the road was closed, but it appears that they were not in place the night that this happened.

Cline Ave Bridge

 

[cptbarkey]

Sounds like you would do fine with a paper map.

Where do you find that these days? AAA used to make those nice custom travel flip books.

 

[gfh77665]

I don't do HOA either. But every new development that is built has an HOA and the developer that just built 125 houses behind us doesn't nothing for that HOA fee. There is no pool, there is no open recreation areas, nothing. Yeah the fee is not that high but they are paying a small fee for nothing in return. Run it out over the years, with the 125 houses and the developer has a nice income stream for doing nothing. He can send his kid to Harvard on the homeowners dime.

I have no idea if your HOA is a good one or not. With that said, by FAR the biggest thing HOA's do for you is keep your property values up. Having a pool or playground is fine, but think about it. Lets say you buy a 400K house with an HOA. In 5-10 years or whatever, it might be worth 500K, because the neighborhood is clean, orderly, and well kept. You are UP 100k.

Now lets imagine you buy that same house without an HOA. A mobil home is set up on your street, then another one. Guy runs a shop out of his garage, or worse yet a small junkyard. Other neighbors move a bunch of chickens in, and others let their grass grow 2 ft. tall and play screaming music all night. Beer cans and trash all over the streets. Your neighborhood declines, and people tired of the mess move out. Property values plummet, your 400K house sells for 300K (maybe) in 5-10 years.

Thats a 200K difference! Money in your pocket! No one really seems to get that is where the biggest payoff is. No one EVER thanks an HOA when they get top dollar when they sell. Never! But they gripe about every little thing.

 

[SC Maintenance]

Have you contacted member @macarose to ask about his car buying service? Not sure if he ships, but other members here have used his help with positive results.

Not sure how HOA's ended up in your post. I would politely tell you that is not how HOA fees work. They go into a fund, owned by all HOA members, governed by an HOA charter. If you have never lived in one why feel the need to make fun of them?

 

[andrew_j]

I don’t want to spend $20-$35/month for unlimited data however want need to spend at least $45k on new car.

Solution maybe , buy a higher profile tire/wheel for your Volvo …..

Agree low profile 40 series is terrible ride in wife’s Tiguan however her base 16” skinnier tires that are 65 series ride nice…

 

[Leo99]

How did HOAs make it into the very first post?

All that's missing is a rant about left-lane drivers.

Hey, don't forget start-stop, power windows, and push button start.

 

[dnewton3]

This thread is locked. It's all over the map (pardon the pun, given the Navigation topic).

This is the "Vehicles" sub-forum. There's no need to be discussing tires, HOAs, etc.
OP - pick one topic and stick to it, please.