I don't know - it seems more difficult to buy a car

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We are back to looking at cars, used cars. The Michelin Climate are great tires but they didn't help or fix the 2016 Volvo V60 low profile tire bumpy ride. I even went up to a 45 aspect for a somewhat larger sidewall, albeit a minimal addition to the height. We've test drove Lincoln MKC cars but I want one that was built after mid year 2019 because that is when they got around to fixing their stupid head & gasket design. Saw one online but dealer said sold yesterday, they go fast. He sent me a window sticker for a 2024 Lincoln Corsair (replaced the MKC). Looking I saw that yuck, the Nav system is subscription. I don't do subscription! Sales guy says, sync your phone to system. I said I am in my 70's and don't use my cell phone that much nor do I want to buy an unlimited data plan. We have Tracfones and have done so for many years, I am happy.

So it seems that the subscription model has taken hold in cars. Then of course there is my disdain for CVT transmissions which limits our sources of cars. It seems I am back to my axiom that when we find a car, the 2019 may be the newest model we will ever own. Our 2011 Honda CR-V runs great and has a Nav system that I paid @ $50 for disc to update the Nav. To me that's fair and reasonable and if I chose not to update -- I'd still have the working Nav.

I don't do HOA either. But every new development that is built has an HOA and the developer that just built 125 houses behind us doesn't nothing for that HOA fee. There is no pool, there is no open recreation areas, nothing. Yeah the fee is not that high but they are paying a small fee for nothing in return. Run it out over the years, with the 125 houses and the developer has a nice income stream for doing nothing. He can send his kid to Harvard on the homeowners dime.

I do get tired of complaining but it just seems like more and more and more we the consumer are getting drained like a hung deer being dressed at the hunting cabin. Was it BMW that started all this crap with their heated seat subscription. Which they received a lot of blow-back about and they finally recanted. Errrr!!
 
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Went up to a 45 aspect ratio? I think of anything below 60 as low... and try to avoid.

Used car market is still nuts. I keep an eye on it but mostly dream about next car, as opposed to bought already.

I've come to like my CVT. Perfection nope, but it's in a low power application which I want mpg.
 
Looking I saw that yuck, the Nav system is subscription. I don't do subscription!

Navigation systems have always been subscription-based.

Old navigation systems that used discs and SD-cards are accurate for only a short period of time. To maintain accuracy, something that's pretty important for navigation, you need to buy a new one. Year after year, you'd need to buy a new SD-card or nav disc.

Sounds a lot like a subscription, doesn't it?

I mean, you could always not buy the updated disc or card but what good is the navigation system if it's incorrect? It's a bit like recording yesterday's news broadcast and watching it again and again. Yeah, you can say you watch the news every day, but you're not really watching the news.
 
I do get tired of complaining but it just seems like more and more and more we the consumer are getting drained like a hung deer being dressed at the hunting cabin.
It's literally every companies dream to turn consumers into a recurring revenue stream, while at the same time, making it more difficult for you to earn that stream. Obligatory Louis Rossmann reference, look him up on YouTube.
 
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I mean, you could always not buy the updated disc or card but what good is the navigation system if it's incorrect? It's a bit like recording yesterday's news broadcast and watching it again and again. Yeah, you can say you watch the news every day, but you're not really watching the news.
It's not like the roads change that much. My GPS is probably 20 years old and still works just fine. I just have to remember not to attempt to use the Key Bridge.
 
Technically, all the tyres with an aspect ratio listed are low profile tyres.

I agree 100% on the subscription thing, not putting my ass in a car that has it.
 
We are back to looking at cars, used cars. The Michelin Climate are great tires but they didn't help or fix the low profile tire bumpy ride. I even went up to a 45 aspect for a somewhat larger sidewall, albeit a minimal addition to the height. We've test drove Lincoln MKC cars but I want one that was built after mid year 2019 because that is when they got around to fixing their stupid head & gasket design. Saw one online but dealer said sold yesterday, they go fast. He sent me a window sticker for a 2014 Lincoln Corsair (replaced the MKC). Looking I saw that yuck, the Nav system is subscription. I don't do subscription! Sales guy says, sync your phone to system. I said I am in my 70's and don't use my cell phone that much nor do I want to buy an unlimited data plan. We have Tracfones and have done so for many years, I am happy.

So it seems that the subscription model has taken hold in cars. Then of course there is my disdain for CVT transmissions which limits our sources of cars. It seems I am back to my axiom that when we find a car, the 2019 may be the newest model we will ever own. Our 2011 Honda CR-V runs great and has a Nav system that I paid @ $50 for disc to update the Nav. To me that's fair and reasonable and if I chose not to update -- I'd still have the working Nav.

I don't do HOA either. But every new development that is built has an HOA and the developer that just built 125 houses behind us doesn't nothing for that HOA fee. There is no pool, there is no open recreation areas, nothing. Yeah the fee is not that high but they are paying a small fee for nothing in return. Run it out over the years, with the 125 houses and the developer has a nice income stream for doing nothing. He can send his kid to Harvard on the homeowners dime.

I do get tired of complaining but it just seems like more and more and more we the consumer are getting drained like a hung deer being dressed at the hunting cabin. Was it BMW that started all this crap with their heated seat subscription. Which they received a lot of blow-back about and they finally recanted. Errrr!!
BMW tested the subscription feature in Europe or Asia. I can't remember where. S. Korea perhaps?

HOA's cover common areas, landscaping, and sometimes roads/curbing, sewage/water, garbage, gates, etc. You don't know what you don't know.

Perhaps you need to expand your search area? I'm looking at twenty-nine 2019's for sale within my area.
 
Navigation systems have always been subscription-based.

Old navigation systems that used discs and SD-cards are accurate for only a short period of time. To maintain accuracy, something that's pretty important for navigation, you need to buy a new one. Year after year, you'd need to buy a new SD-card or nav disc.

Sounds a lot like a subscription, doesn't it?

I mean, you could always not buy the updated disc or card but what good is the navigation system if it's incorrect? It's a bit like recording yesterday's news broadcast and watching it again and again. Yeah, you can say you watch the news every day, but you're not really watching the news.
Hm --- no. "Navigation systems have always been subscription-based."

They worked and no subscription was needed. Update available but unless you are doing a lot of travel, roads around your area of living are usually fairly settled. Roads are not changed as often as you are leading us to believe. Or have I been living in a dream for the past 20 years? I'll take the disc over a subscription.
 
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Agreed. And if doable, it would be cheaper and easier than having to find a new car.

I've got 225/55 tires on my Crosstrek and the comfort is fine as long as I keep the pressure at MFG recommended level.
What version V60 do you have? :unsure:

It might be possible to use 16 in wheels and 55-series tires (225/55-16)
I looked into going to 16 inch but our car has the Polestar discs on it and a 16 inch wheel won't work.
 
Hm --- no. "Navigation systems have always been subscription-based."

They worked and no subscription was needed.
That's how it still works. You can keep using the old maps, if you don't mind. You are not forced to buy a new map version if you don't want to.

However, many cars don't even include built-in navigation anymore - they assume you are going to BYOM (bring your own map) through Apple CarPlay or Android Auto integration with your phone. If you are already paying for a monthly data plan, you might as well use it. If you are afraid of eating up your data allowance, google allows you to download offline maps to you phone at home while using wifi.


Update available but unless you are doing a lot of travel, roads around your area of living are usually fairly settled. Roads are not changed as often as you are leading us to believe. Or have I been living in a dream for the past 20 years?
Depends on where you live. Around here, there is a lot of new development - new housing communities and new roads pop up all the time.
 
Navigation system? Just use the app WAZE or Google on your phone.
See original post (I don't have unlimited data plan).
It's not like the roads change that much. My GPS is probably 20 years old and still works just fine. I just have to remember not to attempt to use the Key Bridge.
Yeah I didn't understand the post that you need a lot of updates. Especially Interstate roads don't change that much.
 
It's not like the roads change that much. My GPS is probably 20 years old and still works just fine. I just have to remember not to attempt to use the Key Bridge.
Ha! We were in Johns Hopkins Balto oncology on the 5th floor the day they were moving that boat.
 
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