Are we kidding ourselves judging motor oils by UOAs?

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I find the "cars over 150K" thread tends to put my feet on the ground in situations like this.

Make a careful distinction between:

I think...

and

I know...

Experience overshadows obvious truths - IMO. See first line.


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People still don't seem to understand or acknowledge the difference between detecting problems in a maintenance program, and estimating wear with the intent of determing engine life, even relative engine life. With all of the variables that we've been able to consider to date it doesn't seem that UOAs are reliable for that type of estimate, which is different than UOAs not being useful.
 
Gentlemen,

Thank you all for such a great thread, so much useful information, and truly thoughtful examination of how our search for reliable, accurate data to evaluate our engine lubricants, and the usefulness of our present methods (UOA), may be enhanced and refined.

Some of the self-effacing, self-described as "less educated," have shown extraordinary insight into scientific methodology and research. My hat is off to you.

Yes, we do lack the ability to control the many variables involved in attempting to accurately ascertain the relative merits of different motor oils used in many different vehicles in many different parts of the world/climates. BUT, we do have a tremendous amount of raw data available to us thanks to this forum, the available tools of UOA and VOA, and the pooling of a phenomenal amount of talent, experience, knowledge and education--both formal and informal. Afterall, wasn't this the purpose of founding this forum in the first place? Kudos to all of the founders and participants of BITOG!!! It IS a resounding success!!!!
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And, by carefully sifting through this data, recognizing the variables, listening to the considered input of the many experts here, we really can determine an awful lot of reliable information. All research involves variables, otherwise there would be no research, some of them may be better controlled than others. No experiment is perfect. Our task is to determine which variables are important and their relative influence. Our tools are the UOA and VOA. We need to segregate them as best we are able according to their operating conditions and continue to refine our interpretation of the data they yield. I firmly believe that the gold of knowledge and truth that we all seek is in the data we have, and will continue to collect. We just need to refine our sampling methods and continue to develop the analysis of the data.

But my head hurts from trying to assimilate, understand, interpret, etc., all of the information covered over the last three pages.

Thank you all, again.
 
Well I have read some of these replies and my own conclusion is that UOA's are a necessary item.At the water district I work at most of the fleet has under 50k.The last round of UOA's showed 1 vehicle with high silica,found a leaking air intake.The next vehicle with a bad UOA showed hi level potasium,this truck had the infamous leaking intake gasket.If we had not done UOA's we would be replacing engines in both of these trucks.We spent $300 in UOA's how much is it for one GM 4.3 replacement?
 
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