Archoil AR6900-P test:
Analysis: PEA in different cleaners (Techron, Archoil, Oilsyn, Pro-Tec)
Oilsyn Diesel DPF&Turbo clean
Think I'm a bit confused. What's the actual result?
Based on your tests so far, what is the most cost-effective cleaner for you?
Oilsyn for regular usage, BG products, Techron, Archoil 6900
Hi urman, have you tested any Wurth products?
No, but I guess it’s should be the same as LM:
LIQUI
The then managing partner Ernst Prost sold his LIQUI MOLY shares to the Würth Group. Since joining LIQUI MOLY in 1990, he had successively bought the shares from the founding Henle family. The sale of these shares served to secure the long-term future of LIQUI MOLY and Meguin.
Thanks for testing all these products and sharing your findings!
Archoil AR6900P is marketed for adding more detergents to fuel at every fill-up--what some folks here call a "maintenance dose."
Would you be willing to do more tests on AR6900P?
I want to understand how much detergent is added to the fuel at various treatment levels.
It would be interesting and helpful to see three tests done back-to-back:
- baseline fuel: titrate 10 ml sample of regular fuel
- 1:1000: 1 ml of AR6900P in 1 liter of the baseline fuel, then titrate a 10 ml sample (this is their "standard treatment" dose)
- 1:500: 2 ml of AR6900P in 1 liter of the baseline fuel, then titrate a 10 ml sample
Thank you!
Щиро дякую!
Man, if this had been applied on my 75w90 thread for gear oils I’d have had coffee for a looooong time…
What a great idea! I did it. Let's keep this young man properly caffeinated.
Glad others brought it up......you buy him a coffee, I'll buy him a 1/2 Keg!
This must've cost him a small Euro Fortune. I was going to call BG last week but forgot to ask about what the Reagent is. Anybody?
I can't believe after all these years of debate, something like this dyi PEA checker self test exists at a consumer level. I must be dreaming.
Unless its not testing for PEA but some kind of other derivative.
Molekule, you have anything to say on this BG potion & Magic Show test methodology?
This must've cost him a small Euro Fortune. I was going to call BG last week but forgot to ask about what the Reagent is. Anybody?
I can't believe after all these years of debate, something like this dyi PEA checker self test exists at a consumer level. I must be dreaming.
Unless its not testing for PEA but some kind of other derivative.
Molekule, you have anything to say on this BG potion & Magic Show test methodology?
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The BG “Deposit Control Additive in Fuel Test” #995DCA (roughly) measures Nitrogen content in a sample, not PEA (or TEA, or PIBA) content. A urine sample would score very high, as the test does not distinguish between PEA and pee (or melamine, protein, etc.).Glad others brought it up......you buy him a coffee, I'll buy him a 1/2 Keg!
This must've cost him a small Euro Fortune. I was going to call BG last week but forgot to ask about what the Reagent is. Anybody?
I can't believe after all these years of debate, something like this dyi PEA checker self test exists at a consumer level. I must be dreaming.
Unless its not testing for PEA but some kind of other derivative.
Molekule, you have anything to say on this BG potion & Magic Show test methodology?
The Indicator B looks not unlike Bromophenol Blue (possibly Bromocresol Green, or maybe Bromophenol Blue plus Thymol Blue). It could contain something like sodium hydroxide to free up some of the amines. I’m just speculating at this point, I’m not a petroleum chemist, and have never done any bench work on fuel.
The Reagent A could contain hydrochloride acid or acetic acid, possibly sodium tetraphenylboron, or some combination, or something else completely different.
Take any results from these tests with a HUGE grain of salt, and understand the myriad limitations. I feel that they add value, but it’s important to remember the limitations and caveats.
The tests help quantify the relative nitrogen content between samples. A petrol sample that takes 4 drops of Titrant A contains a much lower concentration of nitrogen than a sample that takes 10 drops of Titrant A. If we know that the sole source of nitrogen in these samples is the same PEA detergent, then we could say that the second sample contains about two and a half times as much PEA detergent as the former.
It would be awesome if BG still sold these test kits. Very important to understand the limitations and caveats, though. There are far more caveats and higher margins of error when testing fuel additives than straight up pre-mixed fuel samples.
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DeeSall,
Thanks so much & it was kinda what I concluded & was going to ask since, in a nut shell, I just learned that PIB, PIBA & PEA are all Nitrogen based, & figured this test would give false positives if the user was trying to qualify PEA concentration! I wonder if the other derivatives are also cheaper components.
For us beginners......what are the Nitrogen based cleaners:
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/detergents-clean-engine-fuel-tips/
And, Molekule's explanation on PIBA.
I spoke to David the owner on Sat with a question about the HPL Fuel Cleaner they don't officially advertise, about a very unique application, which I need to start a separate thread, but he brought up PIBSA.
He did however confirm, that his Fuel Cleaner ONLY contains PEA in case anyone is wondering. When I asked about the availability, he said its just expensive to ship due to HAZMAT charges, & I asked why. He said it has a low flashpoint of about 100F.
Now a person could confirm with each mfg. of each product that they DO NOT contain any PIB, PIBA, or PIBSA, (if PIBSA is also Nitrogen based.
It seems like the BG Kit was a sales rep tool like the 1 Arm Bandit Test Rigs for oil......
I thought the BG kit was available...... Its still listed on their site.
Thanks so much & it was kinda what I concluded & was going to ask since, in a nut shell, I just learned that PIB, PIBA & PEA are all Nitrogen based, & figured this test would give false positives if the user was trying to qualify PEA concentration! I wonder if the other derivatives are also cheaper components.
For us beginners......what are the Nitrogen based cleaners:
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/detergents-clean-engine-fuel-tips/
And, Molekule's explanation on PIBA.
I spoke to David the owner on Sat with a question about the HPL Fuel Cleaner they don't officially advertise, about a very unique application, which I need to start a separate thread, but he brought up PIBSA.
He did however confirm, that his Fuel Cleaner ONLY contains PEA in case anyone is wondering. When I asked about the availability, he said its just expensive to ship due to HAZMAT charges, & I asked why. He said it has a low flashpoint of about 100F.
Now a person could confirm with each mfg. of each product that they DO NOT contain any PIB, PIBA, or PIBSA, (if PIBSA is also Nitrogen based.
It seems like the BG Kit was a sales rep tool like the 1 Arm Bandit Test Rigs for oil......
I thought the BG kit was available...... Its still listed on their site.