Typical daily driver...city traffic/ hwy/ tow boat to lake all the usual stuff....just found out it is using oil ..qt/1000 miles.....gonna check out the pcv valve..those are [censored] on these engines.....the adbv is fine..i folded it over and stuck it in the center tube to show its pliable...its very soft..not a hint of hardening like the nitril ones get...i have cut lotsa filters.
Amsoil EaO11 cut open with extras.....
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Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
A blind 25k interval without analysis is foolish. It might be perfectly fine at 15k or so but probably starting to get a big shift in the TBN/TAN relationship sometime after.
Do you have any comments on the viscosity of the oil that was drained out? Was it overly thick from oxidation? Any solids in the drain pan?
This.
This OCI is obviously too long for the engine based on the pics. It looks absolutely God-awful. I would be ashamed to own an engine in this condition. I would start by cutting the OCI in half and doing a few UOA's to establish a trend and see how far it can safely be run.
A blind 25k interval without analysis is foolish. It might be perfectly fine at 15k or so but probably starting to get a big shift in the TBN/TAN relationship sometime after.
Do you have any comments on the viscosity of the oil that was drained out? Was it overly thick from oxidation? Any solids in the drain pan?
This.
This OCI is obviously too long for the engine based on the pics. It looks absolutely God-awful. I would be ashamed to own an engine in this condition. I would start by cutting the OCI in half and doing a few UOA's to establish a trend and see how far it can safely be run.
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Originally Posted By: DSparks
Typical daily driver...city traffic/ hwy/ tow boat to lake all the usual stuff....just found out it is using oil ..qt/1000 miles.....gonna check out the pcv valve..those are [censored] on these engines.....the adbv is fine..i folded it over and stuck it in the center tube to show its pliable...its very soft..not a hint of hardening like the nitril ones get...i have cut lotsa filters.
Not surprising it is consuming oil based on these pics. The oil control rings are probably stuck in the lands given the pictures provided.
Typical daily driver...city traffic/ hwy/ tow boat to lake all the usual stuff....just found out it is using oil ..qt/1000 miles.....gonna check out the pcv valve..those are [censored] on these engines.....the adbv is fine..i folded it over and stuck it in the center tube to show its pliable...its very soft..not a hint of hardening like the nitril ones get...i have cut lotsa filters.
Not surprising it is consuming oil based on these pics. The oil control rings are probably stuck in the lands given the pictures provided.
Ouch.. The OCI is too long.
Originally Posted By: DSparks
No uoas' ever...engine is healthy except for the solenoid which is the first repair that has ever been done to it and this repair is fairly common on these engines....I personally feel the long oci's is the issue with the darkness and sludge starting..its not real bad but definitley not good..Amsoil marketing at its finest ehhhh....NOT!!!..
Failure to follow instructions has nothing to do with "marketing". Marketing says "up to 25,000", see the bottle pictured as "evidence".
This has been on Amsoil's front page for quite some time:
http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1490.pdf
Severe and Normal are and always have been determined by the OEM. City driving, idling, towing, are typically severe.
I typically know who are my customers or not. The customers I work with do logical, scientific extended lubricant intervals to maximize fluid life. It doesn't always take a UOA if there is enough data and gathered information for a vehicle and situation. Certainly in this case I would have started out in the 12-15K range. And in some cases a filter dissection is very useful.
At this point in time, some rapid 2-3K mile drain and fills may be adequate followed by a flush when draining. Then ease back up to 8-10K, then 12-15K.
No uoas' ever...engine is healthy except for the solenoid which is the first repair that has ever been done to it and this repair is fairly common on these engines....I personally feel the long oci's is the issue with the darkness and sludge starting..its not real bad but definitley not good..Amsoil marketing at its finest ehhhh....NOT!!!..
Failure to follow instructions has nothing to do with "marketing". Marketing says "up to 25,000", see the bottle pictured as "evidence".
This has been on Amsoil's front page for quite some time:
http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1490.pdf
Severe and Normal are and always have been determined by the OEM. City driving, idling, towing, are typically severe.
I typically know who are my customers or not. The customers I work with do logical, scientific extended lubricant intervals to maximize fluid life. It doesn't always take a UOA if there is enough data and gathered information for a vehicle and situation. Certainly in this case I would have started out in the 12-15K range. And in some cases a filter dissection is very useful.
At this point in time, some rapid 2-3K mile drain and fills may be adequate followed by a flush when draining. Then ease back up to 8-10K, then 12-15K.
If it is consuming 1qt/1000miles...
I wouldn't be surprised if it was ran hard,such as towing... when borderline low on oil read ... 3+quarts low ....which caused excessive heating the oil and cooked it...
I wouldn't be surprised if it was ran hard,such as towing... when borderline low on oil read ... 3+quarts low ....which caused excessive heating the oil and cooked it...
178,000 miles
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No Engine Problems (until this, which usually happens 100,000 miles sooner)
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Didn't follow heavy service OCI
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Driven heavy service unaware of high oil consumption
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[censored] good engine, filter, and oil
I don't see a problem here, other than possible user error.
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No Engine Problems (until this, which usually happens 100,000 miles sooner)
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Didn't follow heavy service OCI
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Driven heavy service unaware of high oil consumption
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[censored] good engine, filter, and oil
I don't see a problem here, other than possible user error.
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Originally Posted By: DSparks
No uoas' ever...engine is healthy except for the solenoid which is the first repair that has ever been done to it and this repair is fairly common on these engines....I personally feel the long oci's is the issue with the darkness and sludge starting..its not real bad but definitley not good..Amsoil marketing at its finest ehhhh....NOT!!!..
Failure to follow instructions has nothing to do with "marketing". Marketing says "up to 25,000", see the bottle pictured as "evidence".
This has been on Amsoil's front page for quite some time:
http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1490.pdf
Severe and Normal are and always have been determined by the OEM. City driving, idling, towing, are typically severe.
I typically know who are my customers or not. The customers I work with do logical, scientific extended lubricant intervals to maximize fluid life. It doesn't always take a UOA if there is enough data and gathered information for a vehicle and situation. Certainly in this case I would have started out in the 12-15K range. And in some cases a filter dissection is very useful.
At this point in time, some rapid 2-3K mile drain and fills may be adequate followed by a flush when draining. Then ease back up to 8-10K, then 12-15K.
Been reading many posts and most people no matter which oil brand or filter being mentioned leave out the up to part of the guaranteed up to.
Originally Posted By: DSparks
No uoas' ever...engine is healthy except for the solenoid which is the first repair that has ever been done to it and this repair is fairly common on these engines....I personally feel the long oci's is the issue with the darkness and sludge starting..its not real bad but definitley not good..Amsoil marketing at its finest ehhhh....NOT!!!..
Failure to follow instructions has nothing to do with "marketing". Marketing says "up to 25,000", see the bottle pictured as "evidence".
This has been on Amsoil's front page for quite some time:
http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1490.pdf
Severe and Normal are and always have been determined by the OEM. City driving, idling, towing, are typically severe.
I typically know who are my customers or not. The customers I work with do logical, scientific extended lubricant intervals to maximize fluid life. It doesn't always take a UOA if there is enough data and gathered information for a vehicle and situation. Certainly in this case I would have started out in the 12-15K range. And in some cases a filter dissection is very useful.
At this point in time, some rapid 2-3K mile drain and fills may be adequate followed by a flush when draining. Then ease back up to 8-10K, then 12-15K.
Been reading many posts and most people no matter which oil brand or filter being mentioned leave out the up to part of the guaranteed up to.
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Originally Posted By: badtlc
am I the only one that thinks there is torn media in picture 7?
That's the "seam" on these filters. They don't use a crimp so it looks like this. I don't know why.
am I the only one that thinks there is torn media in picture 7?
That's the "seam" on these filters. They don't use a crimp so it looks like this. I don't know why.
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
A blind 25k interval without analysis is foolish. It might be perfectly fine at 15k or so but probably starting to get a big shift in the TBN/TAN relationship sometime after.
Do you have any comments on the viscosity of the oil that was drained out? Was it overly thick from oxidation? Any solids in the drain pan?
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A blind 25k interval without analysis is foolish. It might be perfectly fine at 15k or so but probably starting to get a big shift in the TBN/TAN relationship sometime after.
Do you have any comments on the viscosity of the oil that was drained out? Was it overly thick from oxidation? Any solids in the drain pan?
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Originally Posted By: DSparks
Typical daily driver...city traffic/ hwy/ tow boat to lake all the usual stuff....just found out it is using oil ..qt/1000 miles.....gonna check out the pcv valve..those are [censored] on these engines.....the adbv is fine..i folded it over and stuck it in the center tube to show its pliable...its very soft..not a hint of hardening like the nitril ones get...i have cut lotsa filters.
So here's the thing:
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SERVICE LIFE
AMSOIL Signature Series Synthetic Motor Oil is recommended for extended drain intervals in unmodified(1), mechanically sound(2) gasoline-fueled vehicles as follows:
Normal Service(3) – Up to 25,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first.
Severe Service(4) – Up to 15,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first.
In all non-gasoline-fueled vehicle applications, extend the oil change interval according to oil analysis or follow the OEM* drain interval.
*OEM – Original Equipment Manufacturer
(1) Engines operating under modified conditions (non-stock) are excluded from extended drain recommendations. Examples include the use of performance computer chips; non-OEM approved exhaust, fuel or air induction systems; and the use of fuels other than those recommended for normal operation by the manufacturer.
(2) Mechanically sound engines are in good working condition and do not, for example, leak or consume excessive amounts of oil, are not worn out, do not overheat, do not leak antifreeze and have properly working emissions control systems. AMSOIL recommends repairing malfunctioning engines prior to the installation of AMSOIL synthetic oils.
(3) Personal vehicles frequently traveling greater than 10 miles (16 km) at a time and not operating under severe service.
(4) Turbo/supercharged engines, commercial or fleet vehicles, excessive idling, vehicles with more than 100,000 miles without prior continuous use of AMSOIL motor oil, daily short-trip driving less than 10 miles (16 km), frequent towing, plowing, hauling or dusty condition driving.
So being that this is both on the bottle and the product listing, Go 1/yr or 15k from now on and you'll likely see things much cleaner in the future. Also, use a flush at the next change.
Typical daily driver...city traffic/ hwy/ tow boat to lake all the usual stuff....just found out it is using oil ..qt/1000 miles.....gonna check out the pcv valve..those are [censored] on these engines.....the adbv is fine..i folded it over and stuck it in the center tube to show its pliable...its very soft..not a hint of hardening like the nitril ones get...i have cut lotsa filters.
So here's the thing:
Quote:
SERVICE LIFE
AMSOIL Signature Series Synthetic Motor Oil is recommended for extended drain intervals in unmodified(1), mechanically sound(2) gasoline-fueled vehicles as follows:
Normal Service(3) – Up to 25,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first.
Severe Service(4) – Up to 15,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first.
In all non-gasoline-fueled vehicle applications, extend the oil change interval according to oil analysis or follow the OEM* drain interval.
*OEM – Original Equipment Manufacturer
(1) Engines operating under modified conditions (non-stock) are excluded from extended drain recommendations. Examples include the use of performance computer chips; non-OEM approved exhaust, fuel or air induction systems; and the use of fuels other than those recommended for normal operation by the manufacturer.
(2) Mechanically sound engines are in good working condition and do not, for example, leak or consume excessive amounts of oil, are not worn out, do not overheat, do not leak antifreeze and have properly working emissions control systems. AMSOIL recommends repairing malfunctioning engines prior to the installation of AMSOIL synthetic oils.
(3) Personal vehicles frequently traveling greater than 10 miles (16 km) at a time and not operating under severe service.
(4) Turbo/supercharged engines, commercial or fleet vehicles, excessive idling, vehicles with more than 100,000 miles without prior continuous use of AMSOIL motor oil, daily short-trip driving less than 10 miles (16 km), frequent towing, plowing, hauling or dusty condition driving.
So being that this is both on the bottle and the product listing, Go 1/yr or 15k from now on and you'll likely see things much cleaner in the future. Also, use a flush at the next change.
I know with Amsoil you can go longer... but I never did like it when the oil starts looking dirty... so here's what I've been doing:
I change the oil (Amsoil XL) and filter (Wix) every 10,000 miles, but at 5,000 miles I change the filter and top of as needed.
I don't mind going a little short cause I loves my engine and want it to last a long time! So, to me it's worth it.
I know some may think this is a waste, but I'm still going longer than I did back when I was using conventional oil at 3,000 mile intervals.
I change the oil (Amsoil XL) and filter (Wix) every 10,000 miles, but at 5,000 miles I change the filter and top of as needed.
I don't mind going a little short cause I loves my engine and want it to last a long time! So, to me it's worth it.
I know some may think this is a waste, but I'm still going longer than I did back when I was using conventional oil at 3,000 mile intervals.
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any lube or filter can be under or over utilized.
I think these OCIs are too long; I would prefer to see less sludging. This is NOT a fault of the lube. This is a lube that was over-used. It can happen to dino ST lubes and it can happen to premium PAOs. The condition of this engine shows the OCI to be a bit too long. Cut it back and it will probably be more in line with the usage pattern.
any lube or filter can be under or over utilized.
I think these OCIs are too long; I would prefer to see less sludging. This is NOT a fault of the lube. This is a lube that was over-used. It can happen to dino ST lubes and it can happen to premium PAOs. The condition of this engine shows the OCI to be a bit too long. Cut it back and it will probably be more in line with the usage pattern.
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Good news is he could switch to PYB or another high mileage blend such as MaxLife, with MC filters, every 5000 & he'd be fine.
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
Good news is he could switch to PYB or another high mileage blend such as MaxLife, with MC filters, every 5000 & he'd be fine.
I like that prescription, PYB @ 5,000 miles would clean that right up.
Or maybe he needs to follow that Amsoil Signature with a load of MMO, another miracle elixir here on BITOG.
Good news is he could switch to PYB or another high mileage blend such as MaxLife, with MC filters, every 5000 & he'd be fine.
I like that prescription, PYB @ 5,000 miles would clean that right up.
Or maybe he needs to follow that Amsoil Signature with a load of MMO, another miracle elixir here on BITOG.
I agree with one of the previous posters...due to the appearance of the deposits, it almost looks like coolant is mixed in with the oil. That will make a real mess. AMSOIL Signature Series is an outstanding product and the engine shouldn't look like that. A UOA would confirm.
Also, as previously pointed out, this oil is rated for 15K/1-yr intervals in Severe Service applications. I live in TX as well and consider the heat we have here to put us into the severe service category, regardless of the type driving/use the vehicle sees
Also, as previously pointed out, this oil is rated for 15K/1-yr intervals in Severe Service applications. I live in TX as well and consider the heat we have here to put us into the severe service category, regardless of the type driving/use the vehicle sees
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
A blind 25k interval without analysis is foolish. It might be perfectly fine at 15k or so but probably starting to get a big shift in the TBN/TAN relationship sometime after.
Do you have any comments on the viscosity of the oil that was drained out? Was it overly thick from oxidation? Any solids in the drain pan?
Couldn't agree more, especially with how many miles are on this truck.
I wouldn't go more than 10K-15K miles with how many miles are on the truck and how severely it's used day to day.
A blind 25k interval without analysis is foolish. It might be perfectly fine at 15k or so but probably starting to get a big shift in the TBN/TAN relationship sometime after.
Do you have any comments on the viscosity of the oil that was drained out? Was it overly thick from oxidation? Any solids in the drain pan?
Couldn't agree more, especially with how many miles are on this truck.
I wouldn't go more than 10K-15K miles with how many miles are on the truck and how severely it's used day to day.
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