0W-16 Oil....... Really ??
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
Originally Posted By: dblshock
0W-40 is a luxury oil for 10 cents a month take advantage of it.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
There are ACEA a3 oils, they wet surfaces and separate them. Maybe for a dime..maybe
Originally Posted By: dblshock
0W-40 is a luxury oil for 10 cents a month take advantage of it.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
There are ACEA a3 oils, they wet surfaces and separate them. Maybe for a dime..maybe
Originally Posted By: Patman
Hot summers really don't mean a thing. Your engine really won't know the difference between a 100 degree day and an 80 degree day. The oil temperature is still going to be roughly the same.
Here I agree completely. I have proven this to myself on my Jeep Grand Cherokee. It has both a factory oil temperature gauge, and a transmission temperature gauge. Both vary little during Winter and Summer driving. And here in Phoenix we have a lot of temperature variation. From upper 30's to lower 40's during Winter mornings, to upper 100 teens, and as high as 120 F+ during June afternoon's. There is very little temperature difference in the fluids during either type of driving. Only in the driving time it takes to get up to temperature.
It's no different than engine coolant in that regard. If your car is running much hotter in the Summer, you have something wrong in your cooling system. The thermostat should control your engine temperature, not the outside air temperature.
Hot summers really don't mean a thing. Your engine really won't know the difference between a 100 degree day and an 80 degree day. The oil temperature is still going to be roughly the same.
Here I agree completely. I have proven this to myself on my Jeep Grand Cherokee. It has both a factory oil temperature gauge, and a transmission temperature gauge. Both vary little during Winter and Summer driving. And here in Phoenix we have a lot of temperature variation. From upper 30's to lower 40's during Winter mornings, to upper 100 teens, and as high as 120 F+ during June afternoon's. There is very little temperature difference in the fluids during either type of driving. Only in the driving time it takes to get up to temperature.
It's no different than engine coolant in that regard. If your car is running much hotter in the Summer, you have something wrong in your cooling system. The thermostat should control your engine temperature, not the outside air temperature.
Originally Posted By: jongies3
If it makes you feel any better, Royal Purple offers a 0W-5 weight oil for racing applications!
Evidently motor racing must fall under CAFE fuel mileage standards as well. Because as we all know, there is absolutely zero reason to use such thin oils for any other purpose, other than to increase fuel economy, and meet CAFE Federal fuel mileage standards. So now the only question that remains, is why is Toyota mandating the use of such a thick oil, (0w-16), for street use in the 2018 Camry???
http://www.jegs.com/i/Royal-Purple/831/01009/10002/-1
If it makes you feel any better, Royal Purple offers a 0W-5 weight oil for racing applications!
Evidently motor racing must fall under CAFE fuel mileage standards as well. Because as we all know, there is absolutely zero reason to use such thin oils for any other purpose, other than to increase fuel economy, and meet CAFE Federal fuel mileage standards. So now the only question that remains, is why is Toyota mandating the use of such a thick oil, (0w-16), for street use in the 2018 Camry???
http://www.jegs.com/i/Royal-Purple/831/01009/10002/-1
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: jongies3
If it makes you feel any better, Royal Purple offers a 0W-5 weight oil for racing applications!
Evidently motor racing must fall under CAFE fuel mileage standards as well. Because as we all know, there is absolutely zero reason to use such thin oils for any other purpose, other than to increase fuel economy, and meet CAFE Federal fuel mileage standards. So now the only question remains, is why is Toyota mandating the use of such a thick oil, (0w-16) for street use in the 2018 Camry???
Royal Purple made up their own set of numbers ???
They don't use J300 viscosity ratings...
But you knew that already...and seeing as you are hanging a hat...you'll clearly back Royal Purple when they say
http://www.royalpurpleconsumer.com/products/xpr-racing-oil/
Quote:
XPR 0W-8
is an ultra-light viscosity racing motor oil formulated for use in drag racing, motorcycle sprint racing, etc.
XPR 0W-20
is a light-viscosity motor oil formulated to withstand exotic fuels such as alcohol, methanol and nitrous oxide (NO2). This blend is excellent for drag racing.
XPR 0W-30
is a light-viscosity motor oil formulated to withstand exotic fuels such as alcohol, methanol and nitrous oxide (NO2). This blend is excellent for drag racing.
XPR 5W-20
is a light-viscosity motor oil formulated to withstand exotic fuels such as alcohol, methanol and nitrous oxide (NO2). This blend is excellent for drag racing.
The people who run these oils, are single pass, starting from all but cold (oil's thicker when it's cold Bill), and at times aren't scared to waste a set of bearings to win.
Quote:
XPR 5W-30
works well in a variety of applications, from oval track late models to bracket racing. This synthetic motor oil blend is extremely versatile and produces excellent horsepower while preventing wear.
XPR 10W-40
is designed for marine, oval track and endurance car racing. Capable of withstanding long intervals of extreme heat, it works especially well with alcohol and methanol and is extremely popular in sprint cars, late models and World of Outlaws racing.
XPR 20W-50
is formulated for running extended periods under extreme pressure and heat. It is used in oval track, marine and drag racing and is very popular in sprint cars, late models, truck pullers and bracket racing.
Originally Posted By: jongies3
If it makes you feel any better, Royal Purple offers a 0W-5 weight oil for racing applications!
Evidently motor racing must fall under CAFE fuel mileage standards as well. Because as we all know, there is absolutely zero reason to use such thin oils for any other purpose, other than to increase fuel economy, and meet CAFE Federal fuel mileage standards. So now the only question remains, is why is Toyota mandating the use of such a thick oil, (0w-16) for street use in the 2018 Camry???
Royal Purple made up their own set of numbers ???
They don't use J300 viscosity ratings...
But you knew that already...and seeing as you are hanging a hat...you'll clearly back Royal Purple when they say
http://www.royalpurpleconsumer.com/products/xpr-racing-oil/
Quote:
XPR 0W-8
is an ultra-light viscosity racing motor oil formulated for use in drag racing, motorcycle sprint racing, etc.
XPR 0W-20
is a light-viscosity motor oil formulated to withstand exotic fuels such as alcohol, methanol and nitrous oxide (NO2). This blend is excellent for drag racing.
XPR 0W-30
is a light-viscosity motor oil formulated to withstand exotic fuels such as alcohol, methanol and nitrous oxide (NO2). This blend is excellent for drag racing.
XPR 5W-20
is a light-viscosity motor oil formulated to withstand exotic fuels such as alcohol, methanol and nitrous oxide (NO2). This blend is excellent for drag racing.
The people who run these oils, are single pass, starting from all but cold (oil's thicker when it's cold Bill), and at times aren't scared to waste a set of bearings to win.
Quote:
XPR 5W-30
works well in a variety of applications, from oval track late models to bracket racing. This synthetic motor oil blend is extremely versatile and produces excellent horsepower while preventing wear.
XPR 10W-40
is designed for marine, oval track and endurance car racing. Capable of withstanding long intervals of extreme heat, it works especially well with alcohol and methanol and is extremely popular in sprint cars, late models and World of Outlaws racing.
XPR 20W-50
is formulated for running extended periods under extreme pressure and heat. It is used in oval track, marine and drag racing and is very popular in sprint cars, late models, truck pullers and bracket racing.
Looks like if you've got to drive anywhere bar the corner store, then RP recommend 5W30 minimum.
BTW, this is EXACTLY the reason for these oils.
minimisation of frictional drag during warmup... (insert finger painting here, but the other punters have seen it a couple of times already in this thread...and apparently can understand it).
BTW, this is EXACTLY the reason for these oils.
minimisation of frictional drag during warmup... (insert finger painting here, but the other punters have seen it a couple of times already in this thread...and apparently can understand it).
Originally Posted By: Shannow
XPR 0W-8 is an ultra-light viscosity racing motor oil formulated for use in drag racing, motorcycle sprint racing, etc.
Absolutely. Because as we all know, drag racing puts far less stress on an engine, than my wife does driving our Camry to Wal-Mart at 35 MPH with the A/C on. Hence, Toyota's requirement for the much thicker 0W-16 oil that protects so much better.
XPR 0W-8 is an ultra-light viscosity racing motor oil formulated for use in drag racing, motorcycle sprint racing, etc.
Absolutely. Because as we all know, drag racing puts far less stress on an engine, than my wife does driving our Camry to Wal-Mart at 35 MPH with the A/C on. Hence, Toyota's requirement for the much thicker 0W-16 oil that protects so much better.
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Shannow
XPR 0W-8 is an ultra-light viscosity racing motor oil formulated for use in drag racing, motorcycle sprint racing, etc.
Absolutely. Because as we all know, drag racing puts far less stress on an engine, than my wife does driving our Camry to Wal-Mart at 35 MPH with the A/C on. Hence, Toyota's requirement for the much thicker 0W-16 oil that protects so much better.
Ouch, you got me there...
I'll type slower this time...
drag engines start from quite cold, and in the few seconds that it takes to do a pass, don't have a huge amount of time to warm up.
During this time, the viscosity is at the high end of it's range, and in specialist drag racing oils, they drop the viscosity to reduce the oil related drag during this mode of operation...AND are prepared to lose a bearing here and there.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
XPR 0W-8 is an ultra-light viscosity racing motor oil formulated for use in drag racing, motorcycle sprint racing, etc.
Absolutely. Because as we all know, drag racing puts far less stress on an engine, than my wife does driving our Camry to Wal-Mart at 35 MPH with the A/C on. Hence, Toyota's requirement for the much thicker 0W-16 oil that protects so much better.
Ouch, you got me there...
I'll type slower this time...
drag engines start from quite cold, and in the few seconds that it takes to do a pass, don't have a huge amount of time to warm up.
During this time, the viscosity is at the high end of it's range, and in specialist drag racing oils, they drop the viscosity to reduce the oil related drag during this mode of operation...AND are prepared to lose a bearing here and there.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
During this time, the viscosity is at the high end of it's range, and in specialist drag racing oils, they drop the viscosity to reduce the oil related drag during this mode of operation...AND are prepared to lose a bearing here and there.
So..... Just to be clear. If and when I ever decide to drag race my Camry, I should change out my oil to 0W-8. This in order to have my engine better protected for such a high stress application. That as we all know, the much thicker 0W-16 street oil does not offer...... Or......... Because I'm not, "prepared to lose a bearing", either here or there, perhaps I should keep the much thicker 0W-16 oil in it, that offers better bearing protection?
During this time, the viscosity is at the high end of it's range, and in specialist drag racing oils, they drop the viscosity to reduce the oil related drag during this mode of operation...AND are prepared to lose a bearing here and there.
So..... Just to be clear. If and when I ever decide to drag race my Camry, I should change out my oil to 0W-8. This in order to have my engine better protected for such a high stress application. That as we all know, the much thicker 0W-16 street oil does not offer...... Or......... Because I'm not, "prepared to lose a bearing", either here or there, perhaps I should keep the much thicker 0W-16 oil in it, that offers better bearing protection?
In a few short years the early adopter reports with vehicles that crossed the 100K mile mark will start coming in, only then any doubts any of us had will be addressed. This could be the best oil ever, or we could see application specific viscosity changes based on warranty claim reduction, if need be. For now all any of us can do is take educated guesses, again only time will tell.
Take it out the front right now, it's morning over there, presumably you weren't driving all night to remember where you live, so the engine is cool, like you would be at drag day.
Run it long enough to stabilise oil pressure, back it out of the housing facility, and into the culdesac...change into D. (we'll call that staging)
Floor it...or apply your walking cane in the heaviest possible manner to the pedal on the right.
Viscosity keeps bearings apart, and your bearings will stay apart...the entire duration of your experience...all 18-25 seconds of it (see, no major heat)
Do the same with "0W8" same result.
Run it long enough to stabilise oil pressure, back it out of the housing facility, and into the culdesac...change into D. (we'll call that staging)
Floor it...or apply your walking cane in the heaviest possible manner to the pedal on the right.
Viscosity keeps bearings apart, and your bearings will stay apart...the entire duration of your experience...all 18-25 seconds of it (see, no major heat)
Do the same with "0W8" same result.
This sounds a lot like the arguments that happened when the 5W20 and 0W20 oils were introduced-is it possible the Japanese OEMs recommending this oil have done enough research, engineering, & testing to make it work?
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Viscosity keeps bearings apart, and your bearings will stay apart...the entire duration of your experience...all 18-25 seconds of it (see, no major heat) Do the same with "0W8" same result.
So..... Because there is no heat generated in street stock class drag racing, (or in driving from the pits to the staging lanes, the burnout, the back up, and everything else). And because through all of that my engine will obviously stay cold, it makes no difference.
In that case I won't bother to change it out, and just go with the much thicker 0W-16 that Toyota mandates in the first place. And thereby retain all that better bearing protection for the long strenuous drive home with the A/C on, and the engine broiling under the hood.
Viscosity keeps bearings apart, and your bearings will stay apart...the entire duration of your experience...all 18-25 seconds of it (see, no major heat) Do the same with "0W8" same result.
So..... Because there is no heat generated in street stock class drag racing, (or in driving from the pits to the staging lanes, the burnout, the back up, and everything else). And because through all of that my engine will obviously stay cold, it makes no difference.
In that case I won't bother to change it out, and just go with the much thicker 0W-16 that Toyota mandates in the first place. And thereby retain all that better bearing protection for the long strenuous drive home with the A/C on, and the engine broiling under the hood.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Shannow
XPR 0W-8 is an ultra-light viscosity racing motor oil formulated for use in drag racing, motorcycle sprint racing, etc.
Absolutely. Because as we all know, drag racing puts far less stress on an engine, than my wife does driving our Camry to Wal-Mart at 35 MPH with the A/C on. Hence, Toyota's requirement for the much thicker 0W-16 oil that protects so much better.
Ouch, you got me there...
I'll type slower this time...
drag engines start from quite cold, and in the few seconds that it takes to do a pass, don't have a huge amount of time to warm up.
During this time, the viscosity is at the high end of it's range, and in specialist drag racing oils, they drop the viscosity to reduce the oil related drag during this mode of operation...AND are prepared to lose a bearing here and there.
Not much time for drag engines to warm. If the record E.T. is 3.58, and engine runs 7000 RPM, the engine would turn less than 417 revolutions during the run.
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Shannow
XPR 0W-8 is an ultra-light viscosity racing motor oil formulated for use in drag racing, motorcycle sprint racing, etc.
Absolutely. Because as we all know, drag racing puts far less stress on an engine, than my wife does driving our Camry to Wal-Mart at 35 MPH with the A/C on. Hence, Toyota's requirement for the much thicker 0W-16 oil that protects so much better.
Ouch, you got me there...
I'll type slower this time...
drag engines start from quite cold, and in the few seconds that it takes to do a pass, don't have a huge amount of time to warm up.
During this time, the viscosity is at the high end of it's range, and in specialist drag racing oils, they drop the viscosity to reduce the oil related drag during this mode of operation...AND are prepared to lose a bearing here and there.
Not much time for drag engines to warm. If the record E.T. is 3.58, and engine runs 7000 RPM, the engine would turn less than 417 revolutions during the run.
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
This sounds a lot like the arguments that happened when the 5W20 and 0W20 oils were introduced-is it possible the Japanese OEMs recommending this oil have done enough research, engineering, & testing to make it work?
Operative word is possible, [I underlined it], quite possible in fact. OTOH only time will tell for sure. Knowing for sure was always a better feeling for me. I'm not one to hop on board of any new design, technology, you name it for the first two or so years. I've been burnt once or twice over the years.
This sounds a lot like the arguments that happened when the 5W20 and 0W20 oils were introduced-is it possible the Japanese OEMs recommending this oil have done enough research, engineering, & testing to make it work?
Operative word is possible, [I underlined it], quite possible in fact. OTOH only time will tell for sure. Knowing for sure was always a better feeling for me. I'm not one to hop on board of any new design, technology, you name it for the first two or so years. I've been burnt once or twice over the years.
So..... If the drag racers are confident enough to thunder down the 1/4 mile, with the crankcases of their ice cold engines filled with 0W-8 oil. I'm going to sleep well knowing my Camry is protected with engine lubricant rated twice as thick, (0W-16). As my wife cruises down the street to Wal-Mart in the hellish Summer heat!
You are repeating yourself...it happens after time.
They are completely different scenarios, as you yourself pointed out WRT my fingerpainting.
As to your premise that 16 is twice as thick as 8...LOL, welcome to BITOG. Go back a few pages to the discussion of J300.
They are completely different scenarios, as you yourself pointed out WRT my fingerpainting.
As to your premise that 16 is twice as thick as 8...LOL, welcome to BITOG. Go back a few pages to the discussion of J300.
I'd be more concerned with heavy traffic in hellish summer heat than a 1/4 mile run in a Camry with a cold engine.
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