Why so few extended life 0w30s?

[BMWTurboDzl]

Are there any auto manufacturers besides maybe Hyundai that recommend 0w30 in the owners manual?

BMW

 

[Patman]

What vehicle do you wish you could put an extended drain 0w30 in?

I have always figured that when I get a GR Corolla as my daily driver that I would want to step up from a 0w20 to a 0w30, but I also would want to be running something like M1 EP or Pennzoil Ultra Platinum but neither of those come in a 0w30. If I was parked in a warm garage overnight I would be fine with a 5w30, but if it was parked outside overnight and I ran into an extremely cold winter morning I would rather have a 0w30 in there. It could be a number of years before I get a GR Corolla though, so by then there could be some new options available

 

[Foxtrot08]

No market for it / niche product.

 

[6.7 CTD]

I have always figured that when I get a GR Corolla as my daily driver that I would want to step up from a 0w20 to a 0w30, but I also would want to be running something like M1 EP or Pennzoil Ultra Platinum but neither of those come in a 0w30. If I was parked in a warm garage overnight I would be fine with a 5w30, but if it was parked outside overnight and I ran into an extremely cold winter morning I would rather have a 0w30 in there. It could be a number of years before I get a GR Corolla though, so by then there could be some new options available

While likely not necessary, I went with 0W30 instead of 0W16 in my wife’s Camry. I understand where you're coming from.

 

[ltslimjim]

I have always figured that when I get a GR Corolla as my daily driver that I would want to step up from a 0w20 to a 0w30, but I also would want to be running something like M1 EP or Pennzoil Ultra Platinum but neither of those come in a 0w30. If I was parked in a warm garage overnight I would be fine with a 5w30, but if it was parked outside overnight and I ran into an extremely cold winter morning I would rather have a 0w30 in there. It could be a number of years before I get a GR Corolla though, so by then there could be some new options available

Being that you are from Canada, could a thicker end 0w20 suffice? Amsoil SS oils tend to be a shade under 9 cSt at 100C. Then again, they have an actual 0w30.

 

[Hohn]

Agree but the fear of thin oil runs deep and wide

Maybe on BITOG, but it’s vastly outnumbered by people with slavish devotion to “mfg spec” who would never dream of doing thicker than spec.

 

[Pablo]

Maybe on BITOG, but it’s vastly outnumbered by people with slavish devotion to “mfg spec” who would never dream of doing thicker than spec.

Not really what I meant. People are more afraid of 0W than anything in my 30+ years of encounters.

 

[ChrisD46]

It does seem like a strange omission from the M1 line-up, especially when 0W20 and 5W30 are offered in the extended performance varieties. Maybe it's such a witches' brew that it isn't cost effective to manufacture??

I think this witches brew + cost (so to speak) is perhaps the issue / challenge/ hold up for Mobil & SOPUS to create a long drain 0W30. … Kudos to Amsoil and HPL for offering one.

 

[Patman]

Being that you are from Canada, could a thicker end 0w20 suffice? Amsoil SS oils tend to be a shade under 9 cSt at 100C. Then again, they have an actual 0w30.

If someone made a 0w20 that had a 3.0 HTHS that would be a good option for a GRC but I don’t think that exists out there.

 

[Kennedy01]

What would be the upper OCI limits of Mobil 1 ESP 0w30? 15k? Seems like that oil would already be in the wheelhouse you're asking about. I know they don't market it exclusively as an extended drain oil, but it is mentioned on the Mobil website and on the bottle that it's capable of extended drains. Not to mention it's thicker than most of the EP marketed oils.

 

[Patman]

What would be the upper OCI limits of Mobil 1 ESP 0w30? 15k? Seems like that oil would already be in the wheelhouse you're asking about. I know they don't market it exclusively as an extended drain oil, but it is mentioned on the Mobil website and on the bottle that it's capable of extended drains. Not to mention it's thicker than most of the EP marketed oils.

That’s a good point, and ESP 0w30 would probably be a great option for a GR Corolla

 

[Kennedy01]

That’s a good point, and ESP 0w30 would probably be a great option for a GR Corolla

Aren't you running esp in your Corvette or am I imagining things?

 

[Patman]

Aren't you running esp in your Corvette or am I imagining things?

Yep, I have been running ESP 5w30 in it since the beginning.

 

[Snagglefoot]

Any SP motor oil can meet the OCI of current vehicles out there. I change at 5,000 miles which is about 1/2 the manufacturers OCI in some instances. Here is screen shot of the oil requirements of a Chevy 2.7 four cylinder turbo in the 2024 Silverado. It calls for a 5W30 and during cold winters calls for 0w30. I’m certainly not interested in an extended life version of this since if I had that engine I would dump the 0w30 in the spring. For those who feel “ extended life” offers something without actually running it an extended about of miles, have fun with that.

 

[Patman]

Any SP motor oil can meet the OCI of current vehicles out there. I change at 5,000 miles which is about 1/2 the manufacturers OCI in some instances. Here is screen shot of the oil requirements of a Chevy 2.7 four cylinder turbo in the 2024 Silverado. It calls for a 5W30 and during cold winters calls for 0w30. I’m certainly not interested in an extended life version of this since it I had that engine I would dump the 0w30 in the spring.

But even if you aren’t interested in doing extended intervals, the extended life oils are better built oils that generally get the better base oils and are better at keeping the engine clean.

So even if you’re going to do 5-6k intervals, in the long run these EP oils are a better option (especially if you’re planning on keeping the car past 200k)

 

[Snagglefoot]

But even if you aren’t interested in doing extended intervals, the extended life oils are better built oils that generally get the better base oils and are better at keeping the engine clean.

So even if you’re going to do 5-6k intervals, in the long run these EP oils are a better option (especially if you’re planning on keeping the car past 200k)

So that means there is a following at Bitog that thinks their extended life oil will make their engine last longer. I have over 250,000 miles on my engine in my Burb without once using an “ extended life” oil. Nope. I won’t be giving that one any attention. Flame suit on.

 

[Patman]

So that means there is a following at Bittog that thinks their extended life oil will make their engine last longer. I have over 250,000 miles on my engine in my Burb without once using an “ extended life” oil. Nope. I won’t be giving that one any attention. Flame suit on.

Given that Valvoline R&P has been able to find deposits to clean up even when people have been doing 5k intervals with a decent synthetic, I would say that there is some good evidence that running an oil with better cleaning ability (such as an extended life version) will definitely benefit you in the long run.

It’s not just about getting your engine to 250k here. It’s about getting your engines to there while also keeping them clean, not losing any compression or horsepower or MPG. And not having to add a quart every 2000 miles. Lots of people can reach 250k with any brand of oil. Not everyone can get that far and still have the engine be in perfect condition in every way.

 

[Hermann]

Agree but the fear of thin oil runs deep and wide

Where?

 

[wwillson]

True extended drain oils need high quality components. How many people shopping at Walmart would lay down $20-25/quart for an oil that can handle extended drains like HPL or Amsoil Signature?

 

[SiRDOHC]

That’s a good point, and ESP 0w30 would probably be a great option for a GR Corolla

What is the deal with this ESP anyways? Back of the bottle label reads like a Euro oil, and has no API donut. Is it an SP oil or not? Is it suitable for low displacement TGDI's? and GDI's in general?

Digging into the mobil pdf you'll find this :

This product has the following approvals:

MB-Approval 229.31

MB-Approval 229.51

MB-Approval 229.52

Porsche C30

VW 504 00

VW 507 00

This product is recommended for use in applications requiring:

Recommended by ExxonMobil for applications requiring ACEA C2

This product meets or exceeds the requirements of:

ACEA C3

API SL

API SN Engine Test Requirements

API SN PLUS ENGINE TEST REQUIREMENTS

API SP ENGINE TEST REQUIREMENTS

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