I think this is the main reason that I wouldn't use R&P as a "forever" oil. While R&P may be a very good oil for cleaning, there are other oils out there that have went to great effort to be formulated for, and obtain manufacturer approvals. And it most instances, these approved oils are no more expensive, often less expensive, than R&P. For me at least, a motor oil that has been formulated to meet or exceed manufacturer specifications, particularly one that is licensed/approved, will almost always be my first choice.
Why not use Valvoline R&P as the "forever oil"?
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I think this is the main reason that I wouldn't use R&P as a "forever" oil. While R&P may be a very good oil for cleaning, there are other oils out there that have went to great effort to be formulated for, and obtain manufacturer approvals. And it most instances, these approved oils are no more expensive, often less expensive, than R&P. For me at least, a motor oil that has been formulated to meet or exceed manufacturer specifications, particularly one that is licensed/approved, will almost always be my first choice.
That's an odd way to think of the question.
I have VRP in two vehicles now and frankly I'm impressed and the UOAs out there are also looking pretty good.
But I think the main argument to "not VRP the world" is that it's still a pretty new oil on the market. It might be that it has a weakness that hasn't shown up yet.
Some pretty good synthetic oils at 5k oci’s got me to the point of needing R&P. Seems like running it from new would have prevented stuck rings. I’d like to test several other oils but it took me 60k miles to develop the problem so it’ll be a few years each for results.
It is like asking why not deep clean your teeth every six months instead of only when the dentist says you have too much plaque under your gum. Can you use it sure, but will it benefit you if your engine is clean enough to outlast the rest of your car or before you trade it in?
I don’t think I’d be comfortable using a “cleaning” type product/oil all the time, or at least until this product has been out a little longer. The longterm effects are still somewhat unknown right now.
Not saying this will happen at all, but can we be certain longterm use doesn’t breakdown soft seals more rapidly overtime.
Not saying this will happen at all, but can we be certain longterm use doesn’t breakdown soft seals more rapidly overtime.
In all my previous cars, I was never actually aware of the oil the dealer or local mechanic used till I tried to tackle the GS350 oil burning issue last year. VRP was the first oil I actively bought and asked the mechanic to replace and it fixed the oil burning issue completely after just two changes covering 10K miles and I noticed no other problems when using it. So I figured, why not?
Now that I'm aware of BITOG and reading it regularly, I'm sure I'll be better informed if someone finds a weakness or problem with the oil. At that point, I'll decide on what to use next. Until then, no one has mentioned a reason not to use it.
PS - I always changed my oil at 3K in the past and 5K on the GS so I don't even intend to do extended OCIs at this point.
Well it has to contain seal conditioners to meet API specifications. You could also argue seals would last longer bc they would stay cleaner, longer. But you raise a valid point.
Yeah. I’d think so. Again just using it as an example of not knowing what we don’t know.
I am no expert whatsoever but I remember reading somewhere that tbn is not necessarily a variable by itself to determine oil longevity.
Why not? Those D**M sale threads with too much stuff in the oil stash already and still adding more because $2/qt of good full syn is just too much for my will power to handle.
Just like the Delo 5W-40 that went in my Accord yesterday.
Also those approval things if you are worried about warranty and receipts etc.
Just like the Delo 5W-40 that went in my Accord yesterday.
Also those approval things if you are worried about warranty and receipts etc.
"the first and only motor oil that prevents future deposit formation"
Isn't that a good thing on a new engine?
Isn't that a good thing on a new engine?
You save the time and money of having to do a Berryman soak or being forced to replenish oil because of "burning".
I’m wanting to run R&P in a Camry that sees a lot of Uber use, but Toyota “officially” sanctioned 0W-8/16 for it, but OKs 5W/10W-30 for the Mexican market and the A25A can use up to a 20W-50. I’ll wait for the drivetrain warranty to be up. R&P is available in 0W-20.
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I'd say, go for it unless you're concerned with Owners Manual verbiage.
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The regular price at the local auto parts stores is around USD $60, it’s too expensive to use foerever unless it can be picked up on sale.
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You can get it at the local Walmart for $29. Why pay $60 at a parts store?
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wow, AAP lists it for $39 and you get a free filter.
In the USA, it is readily available at Walmart for $29.99 and other retailers advertise it close to that with a free filter. At this price point with it working as advertised, it makes a lot of sense.
I’m in Australia, no Walmart and we get ripped off for a lot of things.
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