Great info you are probably right about the enivornmental issues with oil never thought about that. Thanks for the post
Why not moly in mobil 1 and royal purple if its so good????
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Is there a down side to moly? Is it very much more expensive than other additives?
darrell
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darrell
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I remember when I first joined this site how Schaeffer's, Bob, Molekule and Terry all praised Moly. Turns out they were right because now almost all oils use it and it is finding it's way in to more oils then ever before. Especially to help meet the GF-4 spec. Amsoil is now even using moly after years of denying how good it is and the existance of organic moly!
MoDTC (oil soluble moly) works in conjuction with ZDDP (the zinc & phosphate anti-wear agent in oil). To a limited extent, MoDTC replaces some of the ZDDP, but at higher cost. With modern oil specs reducing the allowable amount of both phosphate and sulfur in the oil, both poison the catalytic converter, we'll see more types of anti-wear agents. MoDTC also contains sulfur...the "thio" in both, so moly is not a total future answer.
Ken
Ken
"BTW I make 45k vets look like escorts"
That maybe true, but no matter how fast it goes, what color it is painted, and all of your proud boasts, it is still and will always be, ONLY a Talon.
That maybe true, but no matter how fast it goes, what color it is painted, and all of your proud boasts, it is still and will always be, ONLY a Talon.
I never said Royal Purple is garbage. I just stated a fact that used it and it came out of every part of the motor it could. It was 5w-30 Royal Purple to be exact. It blew out a quart within 1,000 miles. I have tried many oils before and after Royal Purple in the same motor and never had this happen. Both conventional and synthetic. All the other oils never burned a drop in this motor or found their way out of the motor.
As for Nuclear Power Plants and Industry using Royal Purple. Just remember, the bids almost always go to the lowest bid. As long as it meets the specs for their particular application they use it.
When it comes to my vehicles, it only takes me being burnt once by a product to never use it again. Cars are expensive and I can't afford ruin an engine. The car in question has 137,000 miles on it as of now and still does not burn a drop of oil or leak. I would say that Royal Purple just does not take to this car but, may do fine in others.
As for Nuclear Power Plants and Industry using Royal Purple. Just remember, the bids almost always go to the lowest bid. As long as it meets the specs for their particular application they use it.
When it comes to my vehicles, it only takes me being burnt once by a product to never use it again. Cars are expensive and I can't afford ruin an engine. The car in question has 137,000 miles on it as of now and still does not burn a drop of oil or leak. I would say that Royal Purple just does not take to this car but, may do fine in others.
what a strange thread.
First of all, last time I checked M1 and RP have moly.
Amsoil doesn't use moly - although there is a questionable MC oil VOA that shows 30-40 ppm moly.
GC doesn't use moly and we will never forget how great of an oil that is.
Yes as P goes down as do metallic aditives, and Mo additive companies are making a killing. I just wonder what will happen when Mo starts killing cats just like the millions killed prematurely by P and Zn. (TIC)
What a piece of junk science. Right up there with our favorite well poisoning oxygenate California fuel additive logic.....
First of all, last time I checked M1 and RP have moly.
Amsoil doesn't use moly - although there is a questionable MC oil VOA that shows 30-40 ppm moly.
GC doesn't use moly and we will never forget how great of an oil that is.
Yes as P goes down as do metallic aditives, and Mo additive companies are making a killing. I just wonder what will happen when Mo starts killing cats just like the millions killed prematurely by P and Zn. (TIC)
tenderloin, In a lot of circles a Corvette is just another Chevy! It has taken GM a long time to make the Corvette a great sports car for most of it's exsistance it has been a joke! How can we forget the 180HP Corvette's? I have worked on and drove to many of them that were ***! The same could be said for the F Body. For most of it's exsistance it was anything but a good car. Now I will say that GM did good when they brought back the F body this last time around. The Corvette started to grow a pair when they introduced the ZR1 then it stalled again until they brought out the C5. The Z06 is what the Corvette should have been for the last 20+ years!The F body and the y body have been so mismanaged since shortly after they came to market. GM did do an awesome job though of marketing the platforms and the after market really helped them along!
I think Drew hits the nail on the head.quote:
Originally posted by Drew99GT:
Um, moly levels have skyrocketed with SM oils I thought.
Also, with all due respect for Triple's opinions, I have no idea what he is talking about!
For GF-4/SM, 200-300 ppm of moly has appeared in many Grp II dino formulations as a multi-functional add for both oxidation & anti-wear.
And this is a clear version of moly that does not produce the "root beer" coloration that we saw in some GF-3 oils.
Rob,
I think you might re-look at the Nuc Power industry. They are not concerned with price, they are after the best. And money is not an object with them when they need something.
You are correct. Royal Purple was not correct for your vehicle. Then don't use it. But normally when this happens it is the seals/gaskets being cleaned and then the leak happens.
In my 01 PSD the auto trans was leaking out the rear. Took it to Ford under warranty. They fixed it, and then I changed it to Royal Purple trans fluid. No leaks and many miles towing later, I am one happy guy.
Have had RP 75W140 in the rear diff of my for 16,000 miles, no leaks, and in my 95 for 30K, no leaks in that either.
Have RP 15W40 in my 95 engine, no leaks in 14 months.
So my experience with RP has all been positive. But so has my use of Mobil 1, Delvac 1, Synergyn, Torco, Schaeffers, Amsoil, Delvac 1300S, Pennzoil and a few other products.
I think you might re-look at the Nuc Power industry. They are not concerned with price, they are after the best. And money is not an object with them when they need something.
You are correct. Royal Purple was not correct for your vehicle. Then don't use it. But normally when this happens it is the seals/gaskets being cleaned and then the leak happens.
In my 01 PSD the auto trans was leaking out the rear. Took it to Ford under warranty. They fixed it, and then I changed it to Royal Purple trans fluid. No leaks and many miles towing later, I am one happy guy.
Have had RP 75W140 in the rear diff of my for 16,000 miles, no leaks, and in my 95 for 30K, no leaks in that either.
Have RP 15W40 in my 95 engine, no leaks in 14 months.
So my experience with RP has all been positive. But so has my use of Mobil 1, Delvac 1, Synergyn, Torco, Schaeffers, Amsoil, Delvac 1300S, Pennzoil and a few other products.
You will be in low 12s with more upgrades? Exactly which Corvette did you make look like an Escort?
My 02 Z28 ran [email protected] pratically stock! Either you typed in the wrong number.....or your bubble is about to burst!
Personally I think it's cooler to have a car that everyone thinks is ghetto that can hand out spankings. All for 5 or 6 grand (including the car). And there's no reason to get all defensive about the mighty Z. We all know it's the fastest bestest car on the planet
(If I could afford one I'd have it in an instant!)
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Originally posted by tenderloin:
"BTW I make 45k vets look like escorts"
That maybe true, but no matter how fast it goes, what color it is painted, and all of your proud boasts, it is still and will always be, ONLY a Talon.
Circles that dont own, havent owned, cant own Vette's would be my guess...
darrell
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I know one thing, I sure get a lot of stares, and a lot of people yelling out "cool car" as I drive by in my shiny black Chevy Corvette, but I don't see people have the same reaction when a Chevy Cavalier drives by.
Jeez, some poeple have no respect for the "sleeper" concept. Oh well, to each his own.
No, If I won a Corvette tomorrow I would not keep it unless it was one of the sexy older ones like the old split window! They just look to darn good not to own! Performance wise the Corvette failed for most of it's exsistance to live up to it's marketing hype and sexy good looks. They were not much more durable if any then a Ferari and they surely did not handle or accelerate like a Ferari,Lotus,Lanborgeni(sp),AC Cobra etc...If not for early tuner's like Yenko what reputation would they have had. Especialy dureing the late 1970's up through the 1990 or so.......Remember the crossfire system???
The seats cushions always wear out too quickly, they squeak and rattled off the show room floor,the plastic bits and pieces in side always broke, the seals always leaked air and watter and talked too much!!They did not handle well for a long time!! The ZR1 established the Corvette as a true sports car in modern times. The C5 reduced the squeaks and rattles to a reasonable level. The C5 fixed a lot of handleing issues and made the engine affordable.It still had issues with it's powertrain in terms of piston slap,consumption, cracking near the bellhouseing etc.....The C6 is the best Corvette GM has ever made!!!
For the record the first car I drove at all was a Yenko 427 Vette!Prior to that it was motorcyles and a 1986 4Runner. It is also the first car I drove over 130MPH!I have driven about 300 Corvettes. I was offered a job recently at a dealership that specialises in Corvettes and old muscle cars! I am not talking about beaters either I talking fully restored muscle cars!
I worked with a gentleman that has restored 115 Corvettes for his personel collection and has many of them in musems. He is now retired from GM and does this for a liveing.I also worked with guys that do various show circuits also with Corvettes.One of my specialtys when I worked for GM was finding hard to find parts for Corvettes.I did this as a favor for a few of GM's top brass and bam I was their guy. It was not part of my job I just got things done. The Bowling Green plant would call me when they needed something hard to find or needed information. I had all the brag books for every Corvette ever made as well as the origianal owners manuals and service manuals and parts manuals at my dispossal. A lot of this data is being lost and not replicated or saved to digital media due to cost! As the paper rotts,drys out, yellows and crumbles they are just tossing this stuff!
I worked with a GM executives that also races C5 Corvettes like Kip Wasenco(sp)! I also worked with Richard Childress Raceing on more then one occasion. Childress's needs when I worked with him though were not for his race cars rather issues with support vechiles!
So while I do not own a Corvette and would not own one I do have a lot of experince with them. I would rather own a Toytoa Supra Turbo,MR2 Turbo, Lotus(any), AMG(any), Porsche 911 Turbo,Porsche 928,Ferari Modena or F430, Javalin AMX,AC Cobra,Cobra GT,GT 40,Astin DB5,DB7!!
For the record I do not hate Corvettes I just think they are way over hyped and until recently (1991 and up) did not deliver on their marketing with substance!! They were not the flagship they were meant to be just like Cadilac was not for about 30 year!
The Y body and F body always had a lot of potential but they seldom delivered on their marketing promises!The aftermarket always breathed a lot of life into them both!! Remember the first Corvettes had I6's in them!
P.S. If you think that price is the only reason people do not own a Corvette that is just ignorant!!! Corvettes were origanaly supposed to be a poormans/workingmans Porsche or Ferari!!
The seats cushions always wear out too quickly, they squeak and rattled off the show room floor,the plastic bits and pieces in side always broke, the seals always leaked air and watter and talked too much!!They did not handle well for a long time!! The ZR1 established the Corvette as a true sports car in modern times. The C5 reduced the squeaks and rattles to a reasonable level. The C5 fixed a lot of handleing issues and made the engine affordable.It still had issues with it's powertrain in terms of piston slap,consumption, cracking near the bellhouseing etc.....The C6 is the best Corvette GM has ever made!!!
For the record the first car I drove at all was a Yenko 427 Vette!Prior to that it was motorcyles and a 1986 4Runner. It is also the first car I drove over 130MPH!I have driven about 300 Corvettes. I was offered a job recently at a dealership that specialises in Corvettes and old muscle cars! I am not talking about beaters either I talking fully restored muscle cars!
I worked with a gentleman that has restored 115 Corvettes for his personel collection and has many of them in musems. He is now retired from GM and does this for a liveing.I also worked with guys that do various show circuits also with Corvettes.One of my specialtys when I worked for GM was finding hard to find parts for Corvettes.I did this as a favor for a few of GM's top brass and bam I was their guy. It was not part of my job I just got things done. The Bowling Green plant would call me when they needed something hard to find or needed information. I had all the brag books for every Corvette ever made as well as the origianal owners manuals and service manuals and parts manuals at my dispossal. A lot of this data is being lost and not replicated or saved to digital media due to cost! As the paper rotts,drys out, yellows and crumbles they are just tossing this stuff!
I worked with a GM executives that also races C5 Corvettes like Kip Wasenco(sp)! I also worked with Richard Childress Raceing on more then one occasion. Childress's needs when I worked with him though were not for his race cars rather issues with support vechiles!
So while I do not own a Corvette and would not own one I do have a lot of experince with them. I would rather own a Toytoa Supra Turbo,MR2 Turbo, Lotus(any), AMG(any), Porsche 911 Turbo,Porsche 928,Ferari Modena or F430, Javalin AMX,AC Cobra,Cobra GT,GT 40,Astin DB5,DB7!!
For the record I do not hate Corvettes I just think they are way over hyped and until recently (1991 and up) did not deliver on their marketing with substance!! They were not the flagship they were meant to be just like Cadilac was not for about 30 year!
The Y body and F body always had a lot of potential but they seldom delivered on their marketing promises!The aftermarket always breathed a lot of life into them both!! Remember the first Corvettes had I6's in them!
P.S. If you think that price is the only reason people do not own a Corvette that is just ignorant!!! Corvettes were origanaly supposed to be a poormans/workingmans Porsche or Ferari!!
The vette is now the official "mullet" car.
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