Why is using HPL for short drain intervals a waste?

[Glenda W.]

But you can’t buy TriSyn today anywhere and Mobil will laugh at you if you ask their service line to bring it back to market.

You can, however, buy the other oil blended by the OG cleaning guru Dr. Rudnick… at 15% off retail

Darn right!!

 

[RDY4WAR]

Wasn't he at the meeting in 2022?

No. He hasn't been to an open house.

 

[TomYoung]

You can buy synthetic blend 0w20 which is the viscosity my GDI recommends ( I use higher viscosity ). I usually buy all my oil from Amsoil and even they offer it now.

I agree with you but my point was that anyone who says you can use the cheapest oil ( all Honda says is to use 0w20 oil, they don’t say it has to be full synthetic ) oil suitable for your engine ( especially a extremely small sump GDI engine ) and it doesn’t matter ( you will save money and engine life will not be impacted ) doesn’t seem smart ( the idea, not the person, to use the cheapest in certain situations ) given how hard those engines can be on oil.

It might be overkill to use boutique oils ( when doing regular oil drain intervals based on the OLM ) but it might not be wise to use the cheapest either which would be 0w20 synthetic blend in my GDI engines case.

I was replying to a comment someone else said about you can put any ( suitable ) oil in your engine and it won’t matter based on what Blackstone said ( doesn’t matter if you use synthetic oil versus non synthetic ).

I could be wrong but I wouldn’t take a chance putting the cheapest suitable ( I drive a lot, I go through a lot of oil ….40 quarts per year with 3 cars ) oil in my 3.3 litre oil sump GDI.

No disrespect to anyone, just having a discussion.

Edit: I just checked the price difference between full synthetic and blend and it’s half the price, not just a few Pennies. I would save about $400 per year given how much I drive.

Amsoil, right? Who else has this stuff?

 

[Gene K]

We have seen people on this very forum that have switched to HPL from top shelf oils at Wally World and the like and end up with good bits of junk in their filters, so it isn’t quite true that any OTS oil will keep motor and rings spotless.

Valvoline Restore & Protect $29.97 (5 qt).

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

No. He hasn't been to an open house.

He has, however, been on some corporate calls with people from my corporate reliability teams who have no idea about what custom formulations & specific testing can do to improve ROI, machine lifespan, and reliability. It’s a shame, and will cost us probably 2 plants and 600 jobs over the next 5 years when combined with Gumby-spined sales & quality people.

I’m hardly a business “guru”, but I have a small group of longtime employees I confide in, and over the past 3 years I’m 8-0 on my predictions of plant closures and high-level management moves. It’s not something I’m proud of because it’s predicting the loss of hundreds of jobs of people I’ve built my career WITH, not on.

This went off topic, but Dr Rudnick is one of the resources that when his skill set is available, you don’t waste it.

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

Amsoil, right? Who else has this stuff?

Google it.

 

[TomYoung]

Google it.

On Amazon, I found Philips 66 and Honda's own brew, which wierdly says "full synthetic" on the front of the can. I will agree that the stuff is sort of available, but would assert that 0W20 Synthetic Blend is at this point an odd, fringe product...

 

[sandcritter]

Valvoline Restore & Protect $29.97 (5 qt).

If they made a 0/5w-40 offering, i’ve a vehicle for it, an oil drinking ‘05 cadillac cts 2.8L.

As there’s no way am throwing quart after quart hpl money down that oil guzzler, at present it’s got hpl EC in it now, moving to mobil 1 0W-40 next change, away from the spec’d 5W-30. Observed to drink significantly less at 40 weight, so.

 

[Trav]

This is what happens when someone joins a cult. He probably has a pic of Dave propped up on an alter somewhere.

This is turning into a rough house.

 

[Oliveoil2]

It’s your money…..but most of us here think it would be a colossal waste of money and resources. I didn’t read the entire post. I’m guessing you’re fishing.

 

[thetricky]

Valvoline Restore & Protect $29.97 (5 qt).

And that is the one and only feature that VRP and HPL share in common.

 

[spasm3]

Low income / low education Kool-Aid shoppers won't buy HPL. They can't afford it / can't grasp it's terms of quality

This is what happens when someone joins a cult. He probably has a pic of Dave propped up on an alter somewhere.

Both these posts are ridiculous.

There are good oils out there. Use what you are comfortable with and meets your engines specs. I don't think most HPL users on this board are pushing others to use the oil. Just discussing our usage.

Even David has stated that M1 0w-40 is a good oil.

 

[userfriendly]

Low income / low education Kool-Aid shoppers won't buy HPL. They can't afford it / can't grasp it's terms of quality

That’s me!
By the time I was 18, I was making more money than my sixth grade school teacher who said that I would never amount to anything.
She was right.

 

[gfh77665]

Mmkay. When somebody has nothing of value to add to the conversation, they attack the person who made the statement that their little minds can’t comprehend.

Dave Ward is a man of rare conviction in today’s business world. His word is his honor that he lives and dies (business-speak) by. He doesn’t have $2B in sales from people who don’t know engine oil from canola oil to cover up any missteps; his customers generally are reaching for the very best product available, and after trying them all and being left wanting, they end up at HPL’s doorstep.

That HPL has a “who’s who” of drag racing and other motorsports using their product without a single $ of sponsorship, and also has several HUGE fleet contracts based on performance and cost savings, gives a mountain of proof to those who trust their daily drivers to HPL that they are in good hands.

Meanwhile, you cast unfounded aspersions against not only a site sponsor but also one of the most highly regarded suppliers in the industry. Maybe you should take a long look in the mirror and ask yourself who’s the one posturing up with nothing to back it.

He said anyone who does not buy HPL is a "Low income / low education Kool-Aid shopper". Is that adding any value to the conversation??? Now, you want to attack me who is just reponding? I guess in your mind us "Low income / low education Kool-Aid shoppers" just need to keep our mouths shut, and stop posting in BITOG. Only full time HPL adoration is allowed here, correct? Geeze.

 

[gfh77665]

I don't think most HPL users on this board are pushing others to use the oil. Just discussing our usage.

Even David has stated that M1 0w-40 is a good oil.

He called us non-HPL users "Low income / low education Kool-Aid shoppers".

That is not "Just discussing our usage" as you say. Its an open attack.

 

[cammyfive79]

Sometimes it's helpful to all involved to just take a step back and look at the situation from the outside - what would a random stranger think if they knew I was having a war of words/name calling/associating certain soci-economic status on others merely based on what sort of motor oil they choose to put in their car......

 

[gfh77665]

Exactly. This never had to start. But some HPL devotee did just that.

 

[spasm3]

He called us non-HPL users "Low income / low education Kool-Aid shoppers".

That is not "Just discussing our usage" as you say. Its an open attack.

You left out the first part of my quote, where I called his post ridiculous, along with yours.

 

[gfh77665]

I did not miss it. I was precise in my response to your reference of "most HPL users".

 

[Plumb Bob]

He called us non-HPL users "Low income / low education Kool-Aid shoppers".

Gangnam Style Approved.