I tend to shoot a revolver with more accuracy than an automatic. For me a 38 snubbie is my main go to gun but i have considered a 44 special with a 3 inch barrel at times. Pack a couple speed loaders and walk. I have had my eye on a baby glock that will fit the bill with a few mods. I do believe bigger is better in handgun rounds but you must be able to hit what you shoot at.
What's the best all-around carry handgun?
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Lots of very good opinions here, thanks.
I'm considering buying a trenchcoat along
with a cut-down Barrett 50 cal, so as to
not be out gunned...lol
Seriously, those compact 9's look to be a
good compromise, or maybe a .40???
Thanks for the heads up on the Colt 380 mainspring
recall. I wasn't aware of that, but will check
into it. I do know there's several mods available
for the Colt 380 Government to make it better. I remember
reading an article a while back where the author said
the Colt Govt 380 was THE ideal carry weapon when
equipped with the mods and the right ammo. This was
awhile back though, and times do change. Concealment
must have been his main criteria.....?
I'm considering buying a trenchcoat along
with a cut-down Barrett 50 cal, so as to
not be out gunned...lol
Seriously, those compact 9's look to be a
good compromise, or maybe a .40???
Thanks for the heads up on the Colt 380 mainspring
recall. I wasn't aware of that, but will check
into it. I do know there's several mods available
for the Colt 380 Government to make it better. I remember
reading an article a while back where the author said
the Colt Govt 380 was THE ideal carry weapon when
equipped with the mods and the right ammo. This was
awhile back though, and times do change. Concealment
must have been his main criteria.....?
Originally Posted By: Win
My wife picked out one of these the other evening:
http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=37&productid=149
with the Sig Lite night sights.
It has almost the barrel length of my full size H&K USP .45, but is much slimmer since it is only a single stack mag. It has a very good heft and balance in the hand.
It seems like it would be a very nice carry gun, but we do not carry.
As far as .380's go, I like the Bersa Thunder 380 series. We have a couple and they would make a nice carry or pocket gun. They come either single stack or double stack.
The .380ACP is what it is, but I would not want to be shot with one (or anything for that matter).
Win, good looking Sig but expensive...$$$$$
The Bersa 380 must be a copy of my S&W, with the blocked hammer safety.
I like it.
My wife picked out one of these the other evening:
http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=37&productid=149
with the Sig Lite night sights.
It has almost the barrel length of my full size H&K USP .45, but is much slimmer since it is only a single stack mag. It has a very good heft and balance in the hand.
It seems like it would be a very nice carry gun, but we do not carry.
As far as .380's go, I like the Bersa Thunder 380 series. We have a couple and they would make a nice carry or pocket gun. They come either single stack or double stack.
The .380ACP is what it is, but I would not want to be shot with one (or anything for that matter).
Win, good looking Sig but expensive...$$$$$
The Bersa 380 must be a copy of my S&W, with the blocked hammer safety.
I like it.
Whatever gun you choose, shoot it a few hundred times before trusting it. Then continue to shoot it regularly. If it was me, I'd choose a .45 1911 with bright sights and an action that had just a little play in it. The .380 isn't bad either.
Originally Posted By: 1WildPig
If your Colt .380 is reliable and accurate, then stick with it. You may want to just carry FMJ ammo for better penetration, but then again, the HydraShoks may not expand anyway, you just never know. A good holster and belt goes a long way in carrying a full size handgun and would make your S&W 9mms a lot more tolerable to carry either outside or inside the waistband and the more you carry them the less they will "seem" to weigh as you get use to it. Having said that, my Glock 26 has spoiled me since it is easy to carry, easy to maintain, and accurate to shoot.
I carry my 26 more than my 17 now. The slide to frame, and barrel to slide/frame lockup is so much tighter on the 26, that it's actually a more accurate gun.
If your Colt .380 is reliable and accurate, then stick with it. You may want to just carry FMJ ammo for better penetration, but then again, the HydraShoks may not expand anyway, you just never know. A good holster and belt goes a long way in carrying a full size handgun and would make your S&W 9mms a lot more tolerable to carry either outside or inside the waistband and the more you carry them the less they will "seem" to weigh as you get use to it. Having said that, my Glock 26 has spoiled me since it is easy to carry, easy to maintain, and accurate to shoot.
I carry my 26 more than my 17 now. The slide to frame, and barrel to slide/frame lockup is so much tighter on the 26, that it's actually a more accurate gun.
Originally Posted By: erogers
I would go with my Colt Combat Commander (stainless). With .45 ACP power, and a very thin profile since it's a single-stack, it fits the bill for me. I'm a 1911 fanatic though, so I'm admittedly biased. My favorite 9mm would be my HK USP Compact. Unfortunately, I live in a state that doesn't allow concealed carry. That might change soon, though.
Son has a new Dan Wesson Bobtail 1911 Commander. It has a Match barrel...lots of Ed Brown parts ...stainless steel...Trijicons..very tight custom-like fitted gun.
Will shoot dead on center in a ransom rest and always with 1" groups. $ 1,000.00 (Ed Brown piece goes for $ 2,700.00) 8+1 .45 ACP with Winchester Bonded Ammo the FBI uses with a couple mags is all he needs. Shoots much more accurately than his Glocks/Walther P99 but is close to his Beretta.
The Marines have purchased 200 Springfield 1911 Professionals and more to follow with SOCOM buying up Springfield Operators as potential replacements accross the board for their berettas which jammed a lot in sand. The .45 ACP is once again on the top of the heap where it belongs. Big bore stopping power.
http://www.gunblast.com/DanWesson-CommanderClassic.htm
This IWB holster is the most comfortable as well.
http://www.comp-tac.com/product_info.php?products_id=95
I would go with my Colt Combat Commander (stainless). With .45 ACP power, and a very thin profile since it's a single-stack, it fits the bill for me. I'm a 1911 fanatic though, so I'm admittedly biased. My favorite 9mm would be my HK USP Compact. Unfortunately, I live in a state that doesn't allow concealed carry. That might change soon, though.
Son has a new Dan Wesson Bobtail 1911 Commander. It has a Match barrel...lots of Ed Brown parts ...stainless steel...Trijicons..very tight custom-like fitted gun.
Will shoot dead on center in a ransom rest and always with 1" groups. $ 1,000.00 (Ed Brown piece goes for $ 2,700.00) 8+1 .45 ACP with Winchester Bonded Ammo the FBI uses with a couple mags is all he needs. Shoots much more accurately than his Glocks/Walther P99 but is close to his Beretta.
The Marines have purchased 200 Springfield 1911 Professionals and more to follow with SOCOM buying up Springfield Operators as potential replacements accross the board for their berettas which jammed a lot in sand. The .45 ACP is once again on the top of the heap where it belongs. Big bore stopping power.
http://www.gunblast.com/DanWesson-CommanderClassic.htm
This IWB holster is the most comfortable as well.
http://www.comp-tac.com/product_info.php?products_id=95
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Wlather PPK in .380 classic, reliable,easy to use and will last forever oh and very accurate for it's size.
Ah the myth of the all mighty .45ACP
I normally carry a S&W J-frame 38 but when I do carry a semi-auto, its a Browning HP or Sig P239 in 9mm. There is nothing wrong with a 380 but I see no reason to carry one since any that I would carry are the same size and weight as most 9mm.
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
Ah the myth of the all mighty .45ACP
It all boils down to this equation when it comes to caliber stopping power and shear force which is all about penetration and HP expansion.
Kinetic Energy (Brutal Impact Force) = 1/2 MV squared
KE is expressed in Joules and one Joule is what it takes to launch a tennis ball to the speed of 20 mph. So one Joule is a lot!
- A Buffalo Bore +P .45 ACP has a KE of 165 million Joules of Energy and this is the max. for this caliber for all practical purposes under SAMI loading specs.
- FBI says that "fast and light" 155 gr .40 S&W rounds traveling 1,150 ft/sec are most effective in this caliber and also at the SAMI max for this caliber. That's 102 MIllion Joules of Energy.
-9 mm 124 +P+ at 1,250 ft/sec will give 97 Million Joules of Energy and this would be a SAMI max with the +P+ as well for this caliber.
In summary:
- .45 ACP 230 gr +P = 165 Million Joules
-.40 S&W 155 gr = 102 MIllion Joules
-9 mm 124 gr +P+ = 97 MIllion Joules
So Winchester Lawman 124 gr +P+ is just as capable (powerful as in KE and field performance with this round) as the .40 S&W 155 gr rounds used by LE and available commercially as well. It even expands to about the same wound channel too. Glocks etc will not maybe like a "steady diet" of +P+ but they are designed to take it. I have used this myself and it is not much hotter in feel than a +p.
The .45 ACP is a big jump from both the SAMI max's and KE of the 9mm and the .40 S&W. (Also now called the "short and wimpy" by some LE guys these days. The .45 ACP has 60% more energy and that means it has the potential to penetrate better (FBI says lack of penetration is what gets you killed the fastest)/expand better (so you get max penetration and wound channel without shooting through) and all this finally translates into stopping
a perp. on drugs who dosen't feel pain and is not in shock of being shot.
Just the facts! It's why the military just ordered thousands of 1911's to replace Beretta's and .40 Sigs and so did the FBI Elite Forces. It's a learning curve through everyday experience I would imagine.
Just my .02
Ah the myth of the all mighty .45ACP
It all boils down to this equation when it comes to caliber stopping power and shear force which is all about penetration and HP expansion.
Kinetic Energy (Brutal Impact Force) = 1/2 MV squared
KE is expressed in Joules and one Joule is what it takes to launch a tennis ball to the speed of 20 mph. So one Joule is a lot!
- A Buffalo Bore +P .45 ACP has a KE of 165 million Joules of Energy and this is the max. for this caliber for all practical purposes under SAMI loading specs.
- FBI says that "fast and light" 155 gr .40 S&W rounds traveling 1,150 ft/sec are most effective in this caliber and also at the SAMI max for this caliber. That's 102 MIllion Joules of Energy.
-9 mm 124 +P+ at 1,250 ft/sec will give 97 Million Joules of Energy and this would be a SAMI max with the +P+ as well for this caliber.
In summary:
- .45 ACP 230 gr +P = 165 Million Joules
-.40 S&W 155 gr = 102 MIllion Joules
-9 mm 124 gr +P+ = 97 MIllion Joules
So Winchester Lawman 124 gr +P+ is just as capable (powerful as in KE and field performance with this round) as the .40 S&W 155 gr rounds used by LE and available commercially as well. It even expands to about the same wound channel too. Glocks etc will not maybe like a "steady diet" of +P+ but they are designed to take it. I have used this myself and it is not much hotter in feel than a +p.
The .45 ACP is a big jump from both the SAMI max's and KE of the 9mm and the .40 S&W. (Also now called the "short and wimpy" by some LE guys these days. The .45 ACP has 60% more energy and that means it has the potential to penetrate better (FBI says lack of penetration is what gets you killed the fastest)/expand better (so you get max penetration and wound channel without shooting through) and all this finally translates into stopping
a perp. on drugs who dosen't feel pain and is not in shock of being shot.
Just the facts! It's why the military just ordered thousands of 1911's to replace Beretta's and .40 Sigs and so did the FBI Elite Forces. It's a learning curve through everyday experience I would imagine.
Just my .02
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The 45acp has been around for a very long time and has been a proven man stopper. The idea that its the only cal that is consistantly effective, is a flawed one.
People select their carry firearm with many considerations in mind. I own (2) 1911 style pistols but they are not something i would every carry on me.
People select their carry firearm with many considerations in mind. I own (2) 1911 style pistols but they are not something i would every carry on me.
Originally Posted By: HyperJinx
The 45acp has been around for a very long time and has been a proven man stopper. The idea that its the only cal that is consistantly effective, is a flawed one.
People select their carry firearm with many considerations in mind. I own (2) 1911 style pistols but they are not something i would every carry on me.
Sorry but the 1911's don't appeal to me. Having to throw down a hundreds of bucks into gun smithing to make these guns reliably feed certain hollow points is ridiculous. They are fun to shoot and easy to handle, but I wouldn't bet my life on one. I'll take an M&P or a Glock.
The 45acp has been around for a very long time and has been a proven man stopper. The idea that its the only cal that is consistantly effective, is a flawed one.
People select their carry firearm with many considerations in mind. I own (2) 1911 style pistols but they are not something i would every carry on me.
Sorry but the 1911's don't appeal to me. Having to throw down a hundreds of bucks into gun smithing to make these guns reliably feed certain hollow points is ridiculous. They are fun to shoot and easy to handle, but I wouldn't bet my life on one. I'll take an M&P or a Glock.
A Dan Wesson is a non-metal injection molded gun. 100% machined out of steel. My son bought one and he shot it a few times. It was off a bit and needed attention.
They throated the barrel/tuned the extractor/a little looser barrel pin/polished the ramp even more/dialed in the rear Trijicon and put on a bit taller front site as he sent it in with his recent most target and it was slightly hight and to the left. All for no charge. They paid overnight and insurance both ways. He had it back in a week.
Essentially DW turned his gun into a custom that would cost
$2,500.00 and not the $800.00 he paid.
After hundreds of rounds of everything imaginable it is a reliable bullseye/carry gun at 20-50 feet where he mostly shoots and every distance inbetween. It is his favorite besides his Springfield Professional FBI 1911 gun that has had a thousand throuh it with out hesitation and shoots 3/4" groups at 75 feet ($3,100.00) of course and he also likes his Beretta and Walther P99(but he is done with Glock triggers he said). I must agree personally as a DA/SA or SA is easier to shoot 3/4" groups with at 50 ft.
But...you don't like 1911's so do what the German's do and get an HK USP Compact .45 ACP and don't look back!
http://www.shootersjax.com/hk-usp-compact-45.aspx
You know I am a .45 ACP fan...why?
You never may get a second chance at your first opportunity....mag capacity will not save you in this situation. The .45 ACP may just be the edge you need and count on to see another day.
Just me..and the FBI Elite Forces and the Marine Elite Forces and Now SOCOM looking at 1911's and HK Mark's as well. ALl have gone to or are going .45 ACP.
I just wanted to be here to say my piece and an informed consimer is the best customer they say.
Off my soapbox..
They throated the barrel/tuned the extractor/a little looser barrel pin/polished the ramp even more/dialed in the rear Trijicon and put on a bit taller front site as he sent it in with his recent most target and it was slightly hight and to the left. All for no charge. They paid overnight and insurance both ways. He had it back in a week.
Essentially DW turned his gun into a custom that would cost
$2,500.00 and not the $800.00 he paid.
After hundreds of rounds of everything imaginable it is a reliable bullseye/carry gun at 20-50 feet where he mostly shoots and every distance inbetween. It is his favorite besides his Springfield Professional FBI 1911 gun that has had a thousand throuh it with out hesitation and shoots 3/4" groups at 75 feet ($3,100.00) of course and he also likes his Beretta and Walther P99(but he is done with Glock triggers he said). I must agree personally as a DA/SA or SA is easier to shoot 3/4" groups with at 50 ft.
But...you don't like 1911's so do what the German's do and get an HK USP Compact .45 ACP and don't look back!
http://www.shootersjax.com/hk-usp-compact-45.aspx
You know I am a .45 ACP fan...why?
You never may get a second chance at your first opportunity....mag capacity will not save you in this situation. The .45 ACP may just be the edge you need and count on to see another day.
Just me..and the FBI Elite Forces and the Marine Elite Forces and Now SOCOM looking at 1911's and HK Mark's as well. ALl have gone to or are going .45 ACP.
I just wanted to be here to say my piece and an informed consimer is the best customer they say.
Off my soapbox..
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I can dump 9mm fast and accurate. More wounds to bleed from will put you down with a quickness.
It also helps that I carry some of the best ammo Available in the Federal HST 147gr JHP.
I have absolute 100% confidence in my gun and ammo choice, and my abilities with it.
It also helps that I carry some of the best ammo Available in the Federal HST 147gr JHP.
I have absolute 100% confidence in my gun and ammo choice, and my abilities with it.
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It's why the military just ordered thousands of 1911's to replace Beretta's and .40 Sigs and so did the FBI Elite Forces.
Got a link?
Energy isn't everything.
It's why the military just ordered thousands of 1911's to replace Beretta's and .40 Sigs and so did the FBI Elite Forces.
Got a link?
Energy isn't everything.
Originally Posted By: Tempest
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It's why the military just ordered thousands of 1911's to replace Beretta's and .40 Sigs and so did the FBI Elite Forces.
Got a link?
Energy isn't everything.
Special Operations Command issued Proposed Solicition #H92222-05-R-0017 for 645,000 units of Joint Combat Pistol (JCP) System in caliber .45 ACP.
About 1985, the US Military went to the 9mm Beretta pistol with only a few elite units keeping the .45 ACP. Now the military wants to acquire 45,000 .45 pistols without external safety and 600,000 units with external safety configuration. They also want standard and high capacity magazines and 132,037 Suppressor Attachment kits.
Contracting Office Address
Other Defense Agencies, U.S. Special Operations Command, Headquarters Procurement Division, 7701 Tampa Point Blvd, MacDill AFB, FL, 33621-5323
Description
The USSOCOM intends to issue a solicitation to obtain commercially available non-developmental item (NDI) Joint Combat Pistol (JCP) system, Caliber .45 (ACP). The Program will use full and open competition to fulfill the JCP requirement. The JCP will be delivered in accordance with specification entitled "Performance Specification Joint Combat Pistol" to be provided with issuance of the solicitation. Two configurations of the pistol will be required. One configuration will have no external safety and the other configuration will have an external safety. The Combat Pistol System consists of: a Caliber .45 pistol and its ancillary equipment including: Magazines (standard and high-capacity); Suppressor Attachment Kit for operation of the pistol with and without sound suppressor; Holster; Magazine Holder (standard and high-capacity); Cleaning Kit; and Operator's Manual. The contract type will be an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) issuing Firm-Fixed Price (FFP) delivery orders. The contract period of performance shall be Five (5)years with an option to extend for an additional Five (5) years. The Minimum Quantity is 24 each Engineering Test Units (ETU's), 12 each with external manual safety and 12 each without external manual safety. The estimated Maximum quantities are: 45,000 no external safety JCP configuration and 600,000 JCP with the external safety configuration; 649,000 Holsters; 96,050 Standard Capacity Magazines; 192,099 High Capacity Magazines; 667,000 Magazine Holders; 132,037 Suppressor attachment kits; Provisioning Item Order, Technical Data Package and associated Data. Transportation shall be F.O.B. Destination. The solicitation will require, free of charge to the government, delivery of 24 each product samples along with a concise written proposal all due on the closing date stated in the solicitation. The 24-each product sample from the successful offeror may be accepted as the Minimum Quantity. Any subsequent delivery orders for JCP's will order between 50 each and 200,000 each with a maximum monthly delivery rate of 5,000 each. Any subsequent orders for the ancillary items will require delivery to commence within 60 days after receipt of order. The product samples and written proposal will be evaluated on a best value basis and the Government will reserve the right to award to other than the lowest priced offeror and other than the highest technically rated offeror. Product samples from unsuccessful offerors will be returned to the offerors upon request and at the offeror's expense. The Government cannot guarantee the condition of the product samples after testing. All responsible sources may submit a proposal, which shall be considered by the agency. The Government intend to issue a draft solicitation. Notifications, Solicitation, and other communication will be posted via FEDBIZOPS. Questions may be emailed to Contract Specialist, Mr. Pfender at [email protected].
Point of Contact
Tina Lopez, Contract Specialist, Phone 813 828 7063, Fax 813 828 7504, Email [email protected] - Susan Griffin, Contracting Officer, Phone 813-828-7411, Fax 813-828-7504, Email [email protected]
http://www.1911pistols.com/item/45608_Sp...RP_PRO_FBI.aspx
http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory06.php
The begining of goodbye 9mm and .40 S&W and welcome back .45 ACP for CQB for the FBI Elite Forces and eventually the US Military. They put an order in for hundreds of Springfield's 1911 Operators as well and are field testing HK USP's as well as others to replace the Berreta 9 mm's. BUT caliber WILL be .45 AUTO accross the bourd. By the way I heard "somebody in Washington" sold all of our surplass ammo to China. Figures as we don't need it.
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It's why the military just ordered thousands of 1911's to replace Beretta's and .40 Sigs and so did the FBI Elite Forces.
Got a link?
Energy isn't everything.
Special Operations Command issued Proposed Solicition #H92222-05-R-0017 for 645,000 units of Joint Combat Pistol (JCP) System in caliber .45 ACP.
About 1985, the US Military went to the 9mm Beretta pistol with only a few elite units keeping the .45 ACP. Now the military wants to acquire 45,000 .45 pistols without external safety and 600,000 units with external safety configuration. They also want standard and high capacity magazines and 132,037 Suppressor Attachment kits.
Contracting Office Address
Other Defense Agencies, U.S. Special Operations Command, Headquarters Procurement Division, 7701 Tampa Point Blvd, MacDill AFB, FL, 33621-5323
Description
The USSOCOM intends to issue a solicitation to obtain commercially available non-developmental item (NDI) Joint Combat Pistol (JCP) system, Caliber .45 (ACP). The Program will use full and open competition to fulfill the JCP requirement. The JCP will be delivered in accordance with specification entitled "Performance Specification Joint Combat Pistol" to be provided with issuance of the solicitation. Two configurations of the pistol will be required. One configuration will have no external safety and the other configuration will have an external safety. The Combat Pistol System consists of: a Caliber .45 pistol and its ancillary equipment including: Magazines (standard and high-capacity); Suppressor Attachment Kit for operation of the pistol with and without sound suppressor; Holster; Magazine Holder (standard and high-capacity); Cleaning Kit; and Operator's Manual. The contract type will be an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) issuing Firm-Fixed Price (FFP) delivery orders. The contract period of performance shall be Five (5)years with an option to extend for an additional Five (5) years. The Minimum Quantity is 24 each Engineering Test Units (ETU's), 12 each with external manual safety and 12 each without external manual safety. The estimated Maximum quantities are: 45,000 no external safety JCP configuration and 600,000 JCP with the external safety configuration; 649,000 Holsters; 96,050 Standard Capacity Magazines; 192,099 High Capacity Magazines; 667,000 Magazine Holders; 132,037 Suppressor attachment kits; Provisioning Item Order, Technical Data Package and associated Data. Transportation shall be F.O.B. Destination. The solicitation will require, free of charge to the government, delivery of 24 each product samples along with a concise written proposal all due on the closing date stated in the solicitation. The 24-each product sample from the successful offeror may be accepted as the Minimum Quantity. Any subsequent delivery orders for JCP's will order between 50 each and 200,000 each with a maximum monthly delivery rate of 5,000 each. Any subsequent orders for the ancillary items will require delivery to commence within 60 days after receipt of order. The product samples and written proposal will be evaluated on a best value basis and the Government will reserve the right to award to other than the lowest priced offeror and other than the highest technically rated offeror. Product samples from unsuccessful offerors will be returned to the offerors upon request and at the offeror's expense. The Government cannot guarantee the condition of the product samples after testing. All responsible sources may submit a proposal, which shall be considered by the agency. The Government intend to issue a draft solicitation. Notifications, Solicitation, and other communication will be posted via FEDBIZOPS. Questions may be emailed to Contract Specialist, Mr. Pfender at [email protected].
Point of Contact
Tina Lopez, Contract Specialist, Phone 813 828 7063, Fax 813 828 7504, Email [email protected] - Susan Griffin, Contracting Officer, Phone 813-828-7411, Fax 813-828-7504, Email [email protected]
http://www.1911pistols.com/item/45608_Sp...RP_PRO_FBI.aspx
http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory06.php
The begining of goodbye 9mm and .40 S&W and welcome back .45 ACP for CQB for the FBI Elite Forces and eventually the US Military. They put an order in for hundreds of Springfield's 1911 Operators as well and are field testing HK USP's as well as others to replace the Berreta 9 mm's. BUT caliber WILL be .45 AUTO accross the bourd. By the way I heard "somebody in Washington" sold all of our surplass ammo to China. Figures as we don't need it.
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Pete, I am aware of that. To the best of my knowledge, they haven't "just ordered thousands of 1911's to replace Beretta's and .40 Sigs" though. FN, Springfield XD and others have made guns to compete for this.
The FBI HRT has used customized 1911 for many years.
Do you have documentation to show the purchase of "thousands of 1911's"?
The FBI HRT has used customized 1911 for many years.
Do you have documentation to show the purchase of "thousands of 1911's"?
I have 3 that get carried -
S&W 3913
S&W 4013
Glock 23
The first 2 are single stack and thin so they're easier to conceal than the Glock. The Glock has the advantage currently of being the only pistol I own with night sights.
S&W 3913
S&W 4013
Glock 23
The first 2 are single stack and thin so they're easier to conceal than the Glock. The Glock has the advantage currently of being the only pistol I own with night sights.
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