edyvw
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C1 is obsolete with ACEA 2021 update. Not in use anymore.
What makes Euro oils different?
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No.
Of course, I was kidding. It was meant as a joke. I have no doubt you know what you are talking about. But I do have a doubt that you have a sense of humor.......again a joke maybe.
Anything with a Porsche a40 rating is good. Castrol edge 5w40 a3b4 euro oil is what I run in all of my gas engines now.
I was just reading an article from EB Mag and saw this from one of the Amsoil guys.
“The real workhorse additives, outside of anti-wear agents, are the detergents and dispersants,” Groom says. “It’s the right combination of those that keeps the engine clean and running properly. You also need corrosion inhibitors, because oil by itself doesn’t provide corrosion resistance – that has to be built in.”
He points to European standards as a benchmark, where oils have long been formulated around turbocharging applications. “For example, they put limits on sulfated ash, which comes from detergent additives,” he notes. “This is outside of your calcium-magnesium combo… and finding that optimal balance is critical. It’s all about the right combination of detergent and dispersant with a really high-end base oil that allows you to deal with the heat.”
“The real workhorse additives, outside of anti-wear agents, are the detergents and dispersants,” Groom says. “It’s the right combination of those that keeps the engine clean and running properly. You also need corrosion inhibitors, because oil by itself doesn’t provide corrosion resistance – that has to be built in.”
He points to European standards as a benchmark, where oils have long been formulated around turbocharging applications. “For example, they put limits on sulfated ash, which comes from detergent additives,” he notes. “This is outside of your calcium-magnesium combo… and finding that optimal balance is critical. It’s all about the right combination of detergent and dispersant with a really high-end base oil that allows you to deal with the heat.”
The chief explanation for this is on the Lubrizol page you were using to find this information:
As noted it’s because those charts don’t display absolute values. They are area of emphasis for the last iteration of the approval.
Two approvals may have completely different charts yet one may be far superior in an area based on the absolute numbers. But, it was an area of emphasis - which may only be showing it was actually pretty dismal in that area the last time around.
People throw those spider charts around here for completely unwarranted conclusions.
VOA, UOA, and Lubrizol Spiders: That's half of BITOG for you!
SammyChevelleTypeS3
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Jr?It's all about the HTHS (High Temperature High Shear) ratings and the additive packages. Most US oils are focused on fuel economy, but Euro specs like LL01 or LL04 prioritize engine protection under high heat and long intervals. Since you have a B58, sticking with those specs is definitely the right move to keep the turbo happy.
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The main difference in Euro oils is that they are formulated to work in both gas and diesel car engines..
OVERKILL
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Depending on the slate of approvals. A3/B4 is predominantly petrol-geared, whilst something like C3 is for both and has GPF/DPF compatibility as a priority.
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I must say we don't seem to have the sludging issues they get in the USA. Even with extended drain intervals, although maybe some of that is down to fuel quality or other environmental reasons.
There aren't really sludging issues here either. It's only people who exceed OCI or have engines with very bad PCV/AOS systems. I've never had a sludge issue in any car I or my family has owned, even when it was changed at 10k mi+ BMW OCI. If anything I'd have to say it's just because some Americans are more economically stressed and less inclined to take good care of their cars than some other developed countries.
at least you pay half the price for oil than we the" developed european countries " do.
True. A lot of Americans don't take good care of their cars though, cost aside, and have a more disposable mentality I feel like vs Europe.
same here to tell you the truth.
Europeans generally keep their cars for a long time
with the average age of passenger cars in the EU reaching 12.3 years in 2022, rising from 10.9 years in 2013. Western European countries tend to replace cars around 14 years, Eastern European countries more than that.
the thing with service is that we are very disappointed with mechanics. prices are good but honesty and trust is the real problem.sometimes mechs are sincere and bcs. engines are very complicated they cant find the problem without making you spend a lot of money for labour.but you never know if thats the case or they just want to milk you good. oil and engine parts are gone sky high too. so there is not much money left for trying to buy a new car, that is very pricely too.