What 0W-16 are you using?

[Plumb Bob]

Running ESP 0W-30 in my 2018 Camry (0W-16 is recommended).

 

[oil pan 4]

What few off the shelf 0w-16 tests I've seen the viscosity specs like Toyota mo co 0w-20 oil.
So your probably going back to what the car came with from the factory.
IMO reject modernity and embrace 10cSt at operating temperature.

 

[Hermann]

In a few days I will be using Motorcraft Full Syn 0W-20 for a OCI. I have two fills of it and after the 2nd fill comes out, I have one prepaid Wix OAK left. Could be interesting.

 

[Rideshare Sienna]

My 2021 Sienna is at 163,000 miles and going strong. I have been using Mobil 1 0W-16 and TGMO 0W-16 a few times. I don't believe in the conspiracy theories of people saying that 0W-16 is too thin. Please stop this already , 0W-16 is perfect.

 

[kschachn]

My 2021 Sienna is at 163,000 miles and going strong. I have been using Mobil 1 0W-16 and TGMO 0W-16 a few times. I don't believe in the conspiracy theories of people saying that 0W-16 is too thin. Please stop this already , 0W-16 is perfect.

The underlying physics is that an oil with a higher HT/HS and coincident greater film thickness will reduce wear. There is no “perfect” oil.

Manufacturers are making changes to engine designs to permit the use of thinner oils in order to meet fuel economy requirements without incurring excessive wear. That doesn’t make the oil better nor perfect in terms of mechanical properties.

 

[Rideshare Sienna]

The underlying physics is that an oil with a higher HT/HS and coincident greater film thickness will reduce wear. There is no “perfect” oil.

Manufacturers are making changes to engine designs to permit the use of thinner oils in order to meet fuel economy requirements without incurring excessive wear. That doesn’t make the oil better nor perfect in terms of mechanical properties.

And engines have been designed to run perfectly fine on 0W-16 oil. Use what the oil cap says and change your oil regularly. The Dynamic Force 2.5L I4 has already hit the 350,000 mile mark, visit SiennaChat if you don't believe me. I am at 163,000 miles and have no intention of giving up 0W-16

 

[Rideshare Sienna]

Folks who believe that 0W-16 is some CAFE conspiracy to kill our engines, are probably the same folks who believe the Earth is flat, moon landing was a hoax, Bigfoot and crop circles are real, and the gov is hiding aliens

 

[ATex7239]

Folks who believe that 0W-16 is some CAFE conspiracy to kill our engines, are probably the same folks who believe the Earth is flat, moon landing was a hoax, Bigfoot and crop circles are real, and the gov is hiding aliens

There are two camps. One believes it’s a grand conspiracy to make engines die faster in order to sell more vehicles. And the other believes that it’s based on CAFE in order to increase fuel economy and game the system. The latter is factually correct.

 

[kschachn]

Folks who believe that 0W-16 is some CAFE conspiracy to kill our engines, are probably the same folks who believe the Earth is flat, moon landing was a hoax, Bigfoot and crop circles are real, and the gov is hiding aliens

Perhaps grow up a bit. Learn to try and have a technical discussion rather than resorting to personal attacks. It makes your argument more convincing. Especially since you’re new.

Nobody said it is a CAFE conspiracy to “kill our engines”. That’s not it at all, and if you don’t understand that then I can see why you invoke Bigfoot and crop circles.

 

[Rideshare Sienna]

There are two camps. One believes it’s a grand conspiracy to make engines die faster in order to sell more vehicles. And the other believes that it’s based on CAFE in order to increase fuel economy and game the system. The latter is factually correct.

These engines have been designed to give better fuel economy reliably and durably. Our 2.5s are 500,000+ mile capable motors running 0W-16. Better fuel economy is not coming at the expense of the motor. Technology has come a long way. Things improve with time. My Sienna as bullet proof as the first gen Sienna with a big V6 taking a much thicker oil.

 

[Revving2Redline]

I liked the TGMO, I hardly ever hear much of the engine running it, mostly just CVT drone. It’s a very quiet oil. Plus, my local dealer stocks it and lets you bring a container in for $7 a quart.

CVT drone? Sounds like job for a better fluid like hpl, redline or amsoil

 

[Rideshare Sienna]

CVT drone? Sounds like job for a better fluid like hpl, redline or amsoil

Ha! Toyota's eCVT is thermonuclear bomb proof. Change the fluid every 60,000 miles and you will hit a million miles with no problems whatsoever. That drone is normal, I'm sticking to OEM oil, HPL is not the designer of that transmission

 

[The_Sheriff]

Ha! Toyota's eCVT is thermonuclear bomb proof. Change the fluid every 60,000 miles and you will hit a million miles with no problems whatsoever. That drone is normal, I'm sticking to OEM oil, HPL is not the designer of that transmission

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Oh boy.
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[OVERKILL]

Ha! Toyota's eCVT is thermonuclear bomb proof. Change the fluid every 60,000 miles and you will hit a million miles with no problems whatsoever. That drone is normal, I'm sticking to OEM oil, HPL is not the designer of that transmission

Do you think Toyota produces the OEM oil?

 

[The Critic]

CVT drone? Sounds like job for a better fluid like hpl, redline or amsoil

Fluid type does not cause the drone - the "drone" is a normal characteristic of the Toyota eCVT programming.

 

[Rideshare Sienna]

Do you think Toyota produces the OEM oil?

Mobile 1 produces it according to Toyota's requirements. Toyota knows more about their engines' requirements than any oil company on the planet. Also, stick to Toyota OEM oil filter, oil filter is technically part of the motor. I don't give a rat's patootie about fancy aftermarket oil filters and their claims. It is Toyota's job to decide how much oil needs to flow and how much filtration needs to be done, so they came up with that OEM oil filter

 

[OVERKILL]

Folks who believe that 0W-16 is some CAFE conspiracy to kill our engines, are probably the same folks who believe the Earth is flat, moon landing was a hoax, Bigfoot and crop circles are real, and the gov is hiding aliens

Folks that don't understand the fundamentals of tribology are probably the same folks that would equate the pursuit of better fuel economy through the use of thinner lubricants, enabled by special coatings and engine design changes while keeping wear to an acceptable level, with Flat Earthers, moon landing hoax conspiracy theorists and urban legends.

Being pompous and ignorant isn't a virtue.

 

[Rideshare Sienna]

If Toyota engineers are fine with some particles going into the motor, then why do you want to filter them, for what? If Toyota engineers want to have certain additives and their certain amount in the oil, no more, no less, then what Einstein are you to try something else? Just do what Toyota tells you to do, keep it simple

 

[OVERKILL]

Mobile 1 produces it according to Toyota's requirements.

Mobil. Mobil 1 is a family of synthetic lubricants produced by ExxonMobil.

Toyota knows more about their engines' requirements than any oil company on the planet.

Doubtful. Typically, the lubricants are developed with an additive supplier, like Infineum, Lubrizol, Afton...etc, who know more about lubricant design, additives and their behaviours than any car company on the planet.

Also, stick to Toyota OEM oil filter, oil filter is technically part of the motor. I don't give a rat's patootie about fancy aftermarket oil filters and their claims. It is Toyota's job to decide how much oil needs to flow and how much filtration needs to be done, so they came up with that OEM oil filter

How much oil flows is determined by the oil pump, not the filter. Most oil pumps are positive displacement, which means that, unless the relief is engaged, they displace the same amount of oil, which then goes through the filter, with every rotation.

Toyota also doesn't produce oil filters, they are produced by several different companies, depending on the application. Toyota also sell "fancy aftermarket" filters with higher efficiency ratings through TRD, FWIW.

 

[OVERKILL]

If Toyota engineers are fine with some particles going into the motor, then why do you want to filter them, for what? If Toyota engineers want to have certain additives and their certain amount in the oil, no more, no less, then what Einstein are you to try something else? Just do what Toyota tells you to do, keep it simple

So, just to confirm we are on the same page, you've joined this forum in order to spread the word of Toyota (and I assume other OEM's) to just follow whatever the manual says?

Curious then, what interval are you changing your oil at? What interval does Toyota say it should be changed at?