This response of yours makes complete sense to me. Thank you for it.Originally Posted By: liberty
Like I said fixing it is not going to happen. This started with a question regarding 40wt and a vvti engine. So far no one has answered that with any fact of the matter except maybe one.The question still stands regarding a 40 wt in a vvti engine. Periodically rinsing the area with a warm hose eliminates any collateral damage. The car has been leaking for 8 years and so far there is no additional damage. My understandingi is a 10w30 and a 5w30 have the same index at 100c. The second number is what counts
So does the vvti system go into "bypass" or in some way deactivate when cold? If not, then the somewhat thicker oil isn't going to make any difference. Either of the oils is much, much thicker when cold than any difference between the two grades.
the VVTi is purportedly programmed differently depending on Geo location; I have not verified this.Interesting that people are telling you anything more than a 30wt oil will stop VVT from working properly. Where I’m currently living, we have a Corolla with a VVT engine, and it comes with TMO 20w50 from the factory. Yes it’s quite hot here (up to 40c summer and down to 14c winter), but at operating temp, a 20w50 here is still more viscous than a 5w30 back in the States.
FYI, book time on this job is 19.6 hours. Nobody is "skimming the cream' other than the manufacturer; TSB labor times are almost always manufacturer warranty time, which means the only people getting hosed are the techs doing the jobs under warranty, and the 19.6 time is much closer to how long the job will actually take.Originally Posted By: liberty
Fixing it is not an option.
Get it fixed.
The TSB on this "fix" should be 12.4 hours. If they quoted you 20 hours, they were looking to skim the cream... or they did not know what they were doing.
Next, letting it "leak" will cause issues down the road. Look up "timing chine cover leak" and "power steering (or R&P) boot". This leak will cause the PS to fail. The oil leak can and will cause other BIG repairs down the line. It is known to cause even more havoc. Sure, you could be looking at $1500-2000 for the initial repair, but if it compromises the PS and items in that area, you could double your bill.
I don't know about the 3.5 MZ engines, but the smaller ZZ engines did not like thicker oil. I am always weary about toyotas going up to 40w oil. 10w30 would be about as heavy as I would go...
I hear the opposite, we in Australia get exactly the same engine and programming as everybody else in the world, the only thing they change on some imported models is the suspension tune.the VVTi is purportedly programmed differently depending on Geo location; I have not verified this.
Book time assumes you have been trained for that car/engine and have all the SSTs needed for service “by the book”. In the real world at a flat-rate dealership shop, the goal for a tech is to beat book time by whatever means possible. If that involved shortcuts or hacks, so be it.FYI, book time on this job is 19.6 hours. Nobody is "skimming the cream' other than the manufacturer; TSB labor times are almost always manufacturer warranty time, which means the only people getting hosed are the techs doing the jobs under warranty, and the 19.6 time is much closer to how long the job will actually take.
yep - there was reason why GM had a separate proving ground for Holden and up until the Australian auto industry was folded, there was either separate models for that country(Commodore or Falcon) or heavily localized versions(Camry). Now, it’s mostly Thai or Korean/Japanese imports. The RHD conversion of the Silverado/Camaro/Corvette should be… interesting.I hear the opposite, we in Australia get exactly the same engine and programming as everybody else in the world, the only thing they change on some imported models is the suspension tune.