Toyota - The recall KING?

[elsmacko]

Honestly, I can't say I have noticed a huge difference between any car brand quality. Keep in mind though every car I have ever owned (except most recently) had 100K or more when I bought it.

I have owned a few each of chevy, toyota, honda, ford, Also one each of mitsubishi, subaru. I have had 3 total engine failures: Toyota Celica (I was revving it kinda high, but not redlinging it), Chevy 305 (Ran it out of oil), and the Mitsubishi Eclipse turbo (Not sure what cause it, maybe rod bearing). I have had 2 transmission failures, the Mitsu (1st gear only went bad so I swapped the tranny), and the Subaru tranny went bad, there was an oil leak in tranny that leaked on the clutch, I drove it anyway till it died).

But anyway, the quality differences are getting slimmer and slimmer everyday, for the most part.

I also hear about quite a few Toyotas, Honda's and Acura's that are late model, yetburn oil. Then there is VW, I won't even go there.

Instead of being really big on one brand, I look for the best overall value, and what my needs are.

My most recent purchase was a 2001 Ford Taurus with 86K on it for $5500, about 1.5 years ago. Tha is pretty ________ hard to beat. We just needed something basic, low maintenance, and a 4 door. Yeah they have trannies that break, but it's only about $2k to replace a tranny, then you're good for at least anothe 100k.

 

[Rickey]

Toyata: "moving forward" (with more recalls) "Oh what a feeling!"

 

[brianl703]

Supposedly the Taurus trannies after about 1995 are much better than they were before.

 

[Gurkha]

Yep recall or not, they rule and make the best and people buy em and make em numero uno. Gotta be doin sometin right I guess.

 

[JHZR2]

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Nope, comparing the bottom line. My point was that people think they're getting a better deal with GM when they see a 6k total discount vs. 4k for someone else. Since the MSRP is 2k higher to start, the net efefct is the same. I wanted a 4X4 ext. cab model. MSRP on the Tundra was just over 31k. To get equivalent power on the Silverado, I needed to upgrade to the 5.3l engine. If memory serves this bumped the MSRP to almost 34k. Bottom line out the door was 26k for the Tundra and the Chevy dealer wouldn't come down past 27k. Does the Silverado look better and have a better interior, absolutely. Does the Tundra have a better rep for a bullet proof motor, yep. I'll take mechanical reliability over style any day.

It was never my intention to claim foreign manufacturers contribute as much as Ford and GM to our economy, just trying to note they do have a significant contribution that has been growing here vs. the other 2 sending stuff to Mexico and Canada.

Profits from Toyota go into my pocket right now, as I love what their stock has been doing lately. Millions were also poured into the San Antonio plant that will no doubt contribute greatly to that areas economy as well.

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OK, argue as you wish, but I am curious why you have not addressed 1sttruck's question... If youre really concerned with bottom line, then why wouldnt you pick a vehicle that actually gets better fuel economy, lasts MUCH longer, is built tougher and designed to carry much more load (which you do with a pickup truck, right??? Its not just a $31k MSRP fashion statement, right?), for not a whole lot more money, if you actually consider final costs after the deals or whatever else...

A loss leader CTD with MT would be the king of all aspects of truck purchasing and bottom line costs... blowing toyota or anyone else away bigtime.

Oh yeah, I forgot, toyota is great and diesel trucks are stinky and not PC... maybe that's it.

JMH

 

[Larry the Cable Guy]

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Gee, worse mileage than my 3/4 ton Dodge diesel, half the towing capacity, less room, less durable, and more expensive .

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First, I don't need a diesel, for my ego or otherwise.
Second, around here, diesel fuel is considerably more expensive. Why would I want to lock myself into THAT?
Third, my neighbor has a massive Ford Excursion - diesel. They have been plugging it in to keep it warm for the last month or so. Last night's low was 35F, not cold at all. It should be fun once it actually starts getting cold and staying cold. At least the snow will cover the pile of oil soaked kitty litter in their driveway.
Fourth, I don't need greater payload or towing capacity.
Fifth, my Double Cab Tundra is quite roomy, has both heating and air conditioning to the back seat, FIVE power windows (yes, the rear window drops all of the way down, standard), heated mirrors, variable valve timing, a five speed automatic transmission and four wheel drive. All of these things have value to me and actually are used by me.
Sixth, less durable? I seriously doubt that.
Seventh, more expensive? I really doubt that as well. It was affordable enough that I paid cash for it.

Again:
From Toyota:
Direct U.S. Investment in 2005: $16.8 BILLION
Direct U.S. Employment: 32,000
Total U.S. Jobs: 386,000

That's a lot of paychecks.

What was Ford's investment?
What was GM's investment?
What was Chrysler's investment? Oh, wait. They aren't an American automaker any more than Toyota is.

 

[norseman]

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Yep recall or not, they rule and make the best and people buy em and make em numero uno. Gotta be doin sometin right I guess.

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Nope, just a bunch of stupid people out there!

 

[ScottB]

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Yep recall or not, they rule and make the best and people buy em and make em numero uno. Gotta be doin sometin right I guess.

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Nope, just a bunch of stupid people out there!

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Yeah, feel sorry for us idiots. You flag-waving phonies kill me.

 

[Ugly3]

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Make that Nuclear PRK Hyundai.

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Wrong Korea.

 

[norseman]

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Yep recall or not, they rule and make the best and people buy em and make em numero uno. Gotta be doin sometin right I guess.

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Nope, just a bunch of stupid people out there!

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Yeah, feel sorry for us idiots. You flag-waving phonies kill me.

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Rather be one of your "flag-waving

phonies", then an one of thoses Jerks that thinks just because someone dosen't bow down to kiss toyota's @ss it makes them some type of raceist anti-japanese. I do give toyota one thing they've done one heck of a snow job on dumb americans.

Toyota

 

[Larry the Cable Guy]

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Rather be one of your "flag-waving

phonies", then an one of thoses Jerks that thinks just because someone dosen't bow down to kiss toyota's @ss it makes them some type of raceist anti-japanese. I do give toyota one thing they've done one heck of a snow job on dumb americans.

Toyota

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I don't recally anyone calling you racist or anti-Japanese. Nor did anyone ask you to bow down and kiss anything. You, on the other hand, did refer to many as stupid and jerks.

Why all of the bitterness?

 

[Drew99GT]

Dumb Americans buy Toyotas? DUMBER Americans continue to buy intake gasket eating GMs.

I have a 1994 Toyota and it performs better than the 1998 and later GMs we've had, ALL, and I repeat, ALL of which have had internal coolent leaks.

Just me here, but I would think I'm dumb for buying another GM since they've been such pieces of ________ for us. My Uncle thinks all the Fords he's had have been pieces of ________ but he's one of those buy *American* phonies.

 

[norseman]

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Why all of the bitterness?

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What bitterness?

I'm just explaining that I prefer being one of those "flag-waving

phonies", to those that can't stand seeing toyota criticized.

 

[mdv]

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OK, argue as you wish, but I am curious why you have not addressed 1sttruck's question... If youre really concerned with bottom line, then why wouldnt you pick a vehicle that actually gets better fuel economy, lasts MUCH longer, is built tougher and designed to carry much more load (which you do with a pickup truck, right??? Its not just a $31k MSRP fashion statement, right?), for not a whole lot more money, if you actually consider final costs after the deals or whatever else...

A loss leader CTD with MT would be the king of all aspects of truck purchasing and bottom line costs... blowing toyota or anyone else away bigtime.

Oh yeah, I forgot, toyota is great and diesel trucks are stinky and not PC... maybe that's it.

JMH

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Actually, I do love diesels. I couldn't afford one when I bought my truck. I built one at Ford.com and it came to 40g's. Even assuming I could get 10g off, that's still roughly $80/month more. The Tundra was enough of a stretch. With what I know now, my next truck probably should be an F-250 with the new 6.4l. I wouldn't stress that thing at all with what I do.

What it all comes down to is right now, I put about 10k a year on the truck and only need to pull about 5,000 lbs. Considering the added expense of the diesel isn't really going to pay for itself in fuel and my Tundra handles the load fine.

I'm not anti-American. I do think for 1/2 ton recreational use, a Tundra offered better value for my money than the comparable Ford/Chevy offerings. Like I mentioned, if I needed/wanted a HD pickup, I would jump on the Ford.

 

[norseman]

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Dumb Americans buy Toyotas? DUMBER Americans continue to buy intake gasket eating GMs.

I have a 1994 Toyota and it performs better than the 1998 and later GMs we've had, ALL, and I repeat, ALL of which have had internal coolent leaks.

Just me here, but I would think I'm dumb for buying another GM since they've been such pieces of ________ for us. My Uncle thinks all the Fords he's had have been pieces of ________ but he's one of those buy *American* phonies.

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When I see spurious statements like this "all GM's bla, bla, bla", all that comes to mind is this person has a real active imagination.

 

[brianl703]

No coolant leak on my mom's 2004 Malibu Classic.

No coolant leak on my 2006 Saab 93 2.0T either, at least for the 2200 miles I put on it in Sweden/Denmark/Germany. Currently it's on a boat in the middle of the Alantic Ocean so I can't check it for leaks right now. I'll let you know when I get it.

Both have an Ecotec engine. The Saab is turbocharged. Oh by the way it has a 6.5 quart sump. The Classic has a 5 quart sump. I expect no sludge problems here.

I saw very few Toyotas in Europe and none going below the speed limit in the left lane with a glassy-eyed driver behind the wheel.

 

[Drew99GT]

Oh, now did I say ALL GMs leak? Nope, sue as ________ didn't. BUT, the 4 most recent ones we've bought have been leakers. Noresman, you're putting words in my mouth chief. But if you want to say that I think GM makes a ________ poor product, than yea! Quote me on that one.

 

[ScottB]

Man, this thread is choice.
It surely shows us who finished 6th grade and who didn't.

You do your American car companies no good by standing by them because they're "American"

They're done, finished, unless they pull their collective heads out of their arses.
You can think we're stupid, and say they're just as good until GM is a bookmark in the history books.
Oldsmobile was just the beginning.

Scott

 

[brianl703]

I happen to think GM did a very good job on the Saab, and that's not just because I got a chance to legally drive it at speeds that would have one tossed in jail here

 

[norseman]

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Oh, now did I say ALL GMs leak? Nope, sue as ________ didn't. BUT, the 4 most recent ones we've bought have been leakers. Noresman, you're putting words in my mouth chief. But if you want to say that I think GM makes a ________ poor product, than yea! Quote me on that one.

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Ok there, chief! Last week, Toyota sent letters to 3.3 million owners of vehicles with sludge problems. Talk about pisspoor products.

mmmmm.....I'll take my Toyota Sludge with a side of fries please.......