The ratings go back from one to a couple years old and then back, rating every year back ten years (to 1997). So about a ten year trend for any model.
Toyota quality skid? Experts say NO
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The ratings go back from one to a couple years old and then back, rating every year back ten years (to 1997). So about a ten year trend for any model.
I'm only interested in my experience. I bought a 2006 Avalon last year based on experience with the 1996 Avalon. Put 195K miles in 10 years with hardly any problems. Admittedly I liked that car better than the current one but can't put my finger on why. I feel that the 2006 model has been cheapened somewhat to maintain price. Only time I didn't experience sticker shock after an extended interval.
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There have been years when CR has had almost every Toyota model in the 'best reliability' rating and GM, Ford and Chry have had only a couple, so that might indicate a difference in quality by manufacturer. It also indicated that Toyota makes few bad models. The Detroit 3 each have some bad models, maybe more that a few. It really is a difficult task to rate one car better than another because these ratings do not do a good job of telling you what they mean by better, of which you may not agree. Better to you is something different.
How does that help when you're interested in knowing what the reliability of a 2007 vehicle is? It was mentioned before why CR has a time lag ("results delayed at least 2 years").
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It's difficult to accept your opinion on quality - since you only keep vehicles an average of two years. A vehicle's senior years/age determines quality-levels on a majority of car parts.
Since 1987 We've had 4 Honda's and 6 Toyota/s.
"...most-admired, most-copied, most-studied and most- envied automaker of the past 20 years"
My experience had been that Honda is superior
That is real long life you are getting two years per vehicle
While you had ten cars I still have and drive daily the same one.
1985 Bronco11 21 years and still going strong.
I also have a 1977 Ford F250.
"...most-admired, most-copied, most-studied and most- envied automaker of the past 20 years"
My experience had been that Honda is superior
That is real long life you are getting two years per vehicle
While you had ten cars I still have and drive daily the same one.
1985 Bronco11 21 years and still going strong.
I also have a 1977 Ford F250.
"It's difficult to accept your opinion on quality - since you only keep vehicles an average of two years. A vehicle's senior years/age determines quality-levels on a majority of car parts. "
Naw, most seem content with 'rattle surveys'. Even CR, which trys to track longer term reliablity, seems slow to detect some issues. None of the surveys seems to consider fixability/durability of any value.
Naw, most seem content with 'rattle surveys'. Even CR, which trys to track longer term reliablity, seems slow to detect some issues. None of the surveys seems to consider fixability/durability of any value.
I have had maney cars likes BMW, Toyota, Honda, GM, Chrysler and Fiat.
Toyota makes Quality cars in overal basis. Some areas they are average. If you know how they make cars then you would know why they are what they are. It is not an accedent to make it up there with such huge competitive market. Honda is another winner but its size is prohibiting them to get where they are. But then again if they grow that might become their obstacle to be a world wide leader. I personnaly do not think Honda is any close to toyota in overal engineering but they sure make cars for those who like their engines and ride characterisrics.
Toyota makes Quality cars in overal basis. Some areas they are average. If you know how they make cars then you would know why they are what they are. It is not an accedent to make it up there with such huge competitive market. Honda is another winner but its size is prohibiting them to get where they are. But then again if they grow that might become their obstacle to be a world wide leader. I personnaly do not think Honda is any close to toyota in overal engineering but they sure make cars for those who like their engines and ride characterisrics.
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You are a bad man, bad, bad man. Toyota needs to design and sell as many vehicles as possible so they can beat GM sales, and to pay for advertising about superior quality.
There's nothing here people, just cover your ears and keep believing.
You are a bad man, bad, bad man. Toyota needs to design and sell as many vehicles as possible so they can beat GM sales, and to pay for advertising about superior quality.
There's nothing here people, just cover your ears and keep believing.
Toyota has definitely brought up overall quality in the marketplace, as well as new technologies such as lean manufacturing. The big three responded in the only way they could, cheaper prices. I wish Toyota had kept their quality up instead of trying to compete the way the big three do. Oh well.
On a side note, my GF's brother had a 92 toyota pickup. When it was written off, it had 620,000 miles on it. This thing was constantly overloaded with newspapers, he did go through a couple transmissions. Other then regular maintenance, one timing change, the engine was never touched. Burned less oil than many "domestic" products do brand new! Not bad for a little 4 banger that was ragged on.
On a side note, my GF's brother had a 92 toyota pickup. When it was written off, it had 620,000 miles on it. This thing was constantly overloaded with newspapers, he did go through a couple transmissions. Other then regular maintenance, one timing change, the engine was never touched. Burned less oil than many "domestic" products do brand new! Not bad for a little 4 banger that was ragged on.
No one said that Toyota's brands did not have problems. However, many say that Toyota's brands have the fewest problems.
There are many products are designed to only have problems after the warranty period so companies do not have to pay people. Unless you are the oldest man in the world, I doubt that you owned many of your vehicles for more than 2-3 years, which places them within the warranty period before they begin to break down.
Try saving your money and keeping your vehicles for periods that span decades. You will find that your perception of American vehicle quality will quickly begin to erode.
I drive a 1995 Toyota Avalon, I am not ecstatic about the third generation Avalon and I can put my finger on why. The interior has less wood and a strange stick-shift.
Very few people keep any vehicles for periods that span "decades". I haven't seen any 1977 model vehicles in a very long time.
Manyon here seem to be saying just that. In fact, the majority seem to want us to believe that they are totally infallible.
My car is long out of warranty. Please show me where all of these "pre-engineered/designed" problems/snafus are. Funny how I don't have them. I guess I missed out on all of the fun of domestic nameplate ownership, huh?
When you speak about your "2-3 year" average ownership, I'm guessing you mean like all of those leased Toys/Lexi/Hondas/etc. right? My domestic "p.o.s."
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