Thoughts on diet and health

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Agreed, and my expectations based on previous such discussion here is exactly what we got. Still I feel it is worth while to inject some reality from time to time for what it is worth.

Great-- always love your posts, btw.

In my case I have been told wrong by so many professionals they made me open my mind. I believe I am not unique here.

Definitely a balancing act-- the pros can often be wrong, but usually not for the same reason/basis as non-pro incorrectness.

Skepticism is truly healthy but having that evolve into Dunning-Kruger is a real risk.

I try to do my best to achieve that balance, but really hard to know for sure if I've been successful.
 
This seems to be a popular subject here on BITOG, and one that often makes me smile and bite my tongue. So I thought I would jot down some thoughts for what it’s worth.

Most people’s beliefs on nutrition and healthy diet are not formed by scrutinizing volumes of gold standard studies, i.e. randomized, double blind, placebo controlled, statistically significant, peer reviewed, and published by a reputable journal. Instead our opinions are usually formed or influenced mainly by media reports and repeated headlines as this is what we have access to, and the information we glean is both dubious and ever changing.

Media makes its money by readership and so has a strong driver to sensationalize to get attention, even to the extent to intentional distortion. Any study that associates a nasty disease such as cancer with a common food, no matter how bad the study was, will generate headlines for years until it becomes an excepted fact. That is until the next study contradicts it. How many times have we heard that coffee is good for you/coffee is bad for you, wine is good for you/wine is bad for you, eggs are good for you/eggs are bad for you, margarine is good for you/margarine is bad for you, meat is good for you/meat is bad for you, etc., etc., etc. The result of this flood of profit driven information is often false, incomplete, or misleading “facts” that become imbedded in the minds of otherwise intelligent people and debated ad nauseam.

As an example, I Googled “health benefits of garlic” and in short order found 73 diseases, ailments, or conditions that garlic is purported to cure, prevent, treat, or support, ranging from nine different cancers to erectile dysfunction! This was not a surprise because if a study, any study, finds that garlic has, say, an anti-inflammatory component, no matter how small, food and supplement marketers will jump on it and connect garlic with every ailment that has ever been “associated” with inflammation. If it nudges your cholesterol down a couple of points it instantly becomes “heart healthy” and even earns (or buys) a symbol on the label to prove it. This same nonsense exists for numerous other common foods, vitamins, and supplements in an endless effort to sell or promote some product.

And this should come as no surprise. The fact is that the chemistry of our bodies, the food we eat, and the processes they undergo and interact with is extraordinarily complex, so much so that trying to isolate a single food chemical component and quantify its long term effect on health and longevity is virtually impossible. There are just far too many variables to correct for, even in most gold standard studies, making cause and effect conclusions bewildering at best and absurd at worse. A perfect playground for marketers to peddle their wares. The lack of a scientific consensus is apparent when one considers that there are literally thousands of books written by doctors on diet and health, loaded with much disagreement and conflicting information. If we actually knew the facts we would only need one book.

So what should we believe? In this complex and ever changing subject that is a difficult question. At least be sure to carefully consider the source of the information you are reading – the words “study” and “doctor” guarantee nothing, and most social media sources are infiltrated with endlessly repeated nonsense. Even apparently credible TV reports, newspapers, and magazines fall victim to the same need to gather readers for profit, and the internet seems to have more clickbait than facts. Shun testimonials, and avoid confirmation bias by reading opposing opinions. If no reasonable and scientific consensus is apparent then avoid forming and spreading unsupported opinions. Debating is useful, but preaching is not. In short, question what you read and hear, and think critically – blind faith leads to blindness. It’s okay to not know the answer to everything.

Personally I have always found my mother’s advice to be rather sensible – eat a wide variety of foods with nothing in excess. Perhaps she should have written a study! So finally, take all information you read on nutrition and healthy diet with a large grain of salt (oh wait, never mind, salt is unhealthy!).
There is no hack. There is simple consistency in lifestyle. Simple truths are movement is good. Secondary lifestyle is bad. Try to walk more and get outside and enjoy the sunshine. Try to lift weights or any other resistance type movements two or three times a week. You don’t have to be a bodybuilder, but nothing is wrong with building a little bit more strength and resilience and mobility make good food choices eat enough protein eat enough vegetables. It’s OK to enjoy occasional sugar, alcohol or other no nose from time to time as long as it doesn’t become a bad habit that impacts your weight and the ability to do the simple things like good sleep movement and a positive mindset most people will find something they really enjoy doing and that’s great.

I mentioned mindset, and I think our attitudes and perspectives have a huge impact on our overall health. And our ability to enjoy our day-to-day lives, gratitude, humility, and purpose will do more for our health than getting buried in the diet and exercise industries endless document rather than thinking of something healthy to do something
 
In my case I have been told wrong by so many professionals they made me open my mind. I believe I am not unique here.
No argument there, my point was that there is so much false information and disagreement that it is hard to know who to believe. Hence my opinion that we should not form and spread hard opinions when we really don't know what healthy eating is.
 
No argument there, my point was that there is so much false information and disagreement that it is hard to know who to believe. Hence my opinion that we should not form and spread hard opinions when we really don't know what healthy eating is.
It’s an absolute minefield

I’m unsure how someone without critical thinking skills can navigate - frankly it shows.

And it’s easy to give up.
 
Truth the food pyramid in the day sums it up. It's always ooops i guess we were wrong
I pretty much turn the food pyramid upside down, not because I believe it is healthier - I really don't know what is healthier - but strictly for weight control. I have found that when eating carbs I drift up in weight, and when greatly reducing carbs I can maintain a normal weight. The food pyramid was developed from the anti-fat/anti-cholesterol craze, so any food that had no fat or cholesterol was considered "healthy", probably the reason for the concentration on fruit and grains in the pyramid. Lots of disagreement on it and I don't know what is true given the unreliability of the available sources, which was my whole point in the first place. I do know what works for me wrt weight control.
 
The theme of my original post starting this thread was that the relationship of diet and nutrition with long term health is extraordinarily complex, and therefore we should be wary of the quality of “studies”, the distorted conclusions drawn from them, the selfish bias of the media, and the lack of consensus among qualified professionals, and we should resist forming and spreading hard opinions based on such questionable and highly variable sources.

After 133 subsequent posts it’s enlightening to see how many posters read that original post, and amazing to see the number of qualified professional doctors, dieticians, and nutritionists we have here on BITOG. 😁

/sarcasm
True, but it doesn't take a doctor or dietician to know the truth, which is that processed foods aren't good for us. The FDA lied to everyone and said saturated fats were bad and to eat seed oils with low sat fats. They can't be trusted. So people find the truth themselves. FDA is changing now though, finally.
 
Side question:

Is 315 your 1rm for each of those lifts? If so, unusual for those two to be the same. At your height/weight, a 315 bench is advanced intermediate (and approaching full advanced). But a 315 squat (especially given the leverages your height generally affords) is good but solidly intermediate.

Rare to see 1rm for bench and squat be the same, and even more so at your height as the average powerlifter squats 1.3-1.4x their bench, while those shorter in stature tend to have ratios greater than 1.5x (sometimes as high as 2x).

So, wondering if 315 was just an indication of a minimal standard for your squat, if perhaps you don't push legs that hard, or maybe you're just an outlier from the norm.

I'm thinking that your username may provide the answer to my question but just wanted to confirm out of my own curiosity.

Off topic and not really my business, so feel free to ignore if you prefer.
I'll keep it short...when I turned 50 I realized the hero lifts and progressive overload training I did my entire life with great success wasn't wise going forward. I haven't loaded more than 315 on the bar for any lifts since then, but to answer your question, I can rep with 315 for 8-12 on the squat and deadlift but usually only for a triple these days on the bench.

All I'm after at this point/age is to hold on to as much lean mass as I currently have for as long as possible without being fanatic about it. My workouts now are more built around enjoying the process, they're still intense but not like they were at 40. I eat a more varied diet now with less focus on the heavy protein I used to eat. I'm definitely not eating a gram per pound of bodyweight and I've been able to maintain my current BMI for the last few years.

I'm sure in the coming years my working weight for compound movements will drop to 225, then less but as long as I still enjoy doing it and I'm still able, I'll be in there :) (y)
 
ok-- repping 315 squats at 8-12 makes perfect sense and is pretty danged good! Better than me for sure!

I'm 62 and haven't let up as I don't feel that there is any less wisdom in focusing on progression even in old age, but I am going to do a bit of experimentation in 2026-- I'm putting together a full routine based only on isometric holds at various positions using a micro-adjustable bar holder that I designed myself and am now installing in a doorway of my shop.

Mostly doing this as a change of pace, but isometrics have been showing surprising results in recent research papers, so I want to play around with it a bit.

Thanks for the response, and hope the new, reduced-intensity routine is successful at maintaining your enjoyment, as I'm sure you know that that's the true key to maintaining consistency at any age!

🍻
 
ok-- repping 315 squats at 8-12 makes perfect sense and is pretty danged good! Better than me for sure!

I'm 62 and haven't let up as I don't feel that there is any less wisdom in focusing on progression even in old age, but I am going to do a bit of experimentation in 2026-- I'm putting together a full routine based only on isometric holds at various positions using a micro-adjustable bar holder that I designed myself and am now installing in a doorway of my shop.

Mostly doing this as a change of pace, but isometrics have been showing surprising results in recent research papers, so I want to play around with it a bit.

Thanks for the response, and hope the new, reduced-intensity routine is successful at maintaining your enjoyment, as I'm sure you know that that's the true key to maintaining consistency at any age!

🍻
The main reason for dialing things back are longevity based. I've got some aches and pains starting to rear their ugly heads so if something hurts I stop doing it. A man has to know his limitations and the last thing I want after all these years of hitting the weights with reckless abandon is a torn up shoulder, knee, or hip flexor. Injury prevention is at the top of the pile now.

Good on you for sticking with it till 62, that's what I call dedication. Kudos sir💪💪:)
 
Thanks! I've been an avid weightlifter since 1980. Started right at the height of the Nautilus frenzy!

Have you looked at all into The Barbell Prescription? It's a modification of Starting Strength specially designed around injury avoidance before an injury, and injury treatment (through modified use of the basic lifts) if you do get an injury.

I've not tried it myself, but I've heard a number of podcasts on it-- sound like a reasonably thought-out plan to keep those that want to stay in the powerlifting game even as the age or deal with injury.

But I agree that there's also nothing wrong with your plan to convert "progression" to "maintaining current totals as I weaken with age" rather than fighting to continue with literal progression.

As one ages, it's natural that maintenance alone will at some point become a legit form of progression!
 
Reading the comments in here. Does one really have to be a doctor or nutritionist to know what is good for you?
This isnt rocket science, it's pure common sense. But as a people we look for excuses.
Eating healthy is pretty simple in the most simple form. I dont care what anyone eats. I think this is the simple part.

Eat Whole Foods - in my mind there you have it. I dont care what it is. Of course once you do that, then you can go on your own beaten path and step it up to your liking.

Example - Whole Foods/ Means non manufactured products. Stop eating ANY snack food you buy, ANY soft drink that you buy. ANY modern day bakery item that you buy and you got half (or more) of that battle done. Step it up more and never walk in a fast food restaurant, never eat fried food.

Non processed Protein in some meat form (or plant if you prefer). Vegetables, even a little bit of dairy products and you're done. You dont need to be an expert. Clean simple foods
IF everyone did that, health care costs would plummet.

The only time in my mind that any debate comes in is when you want to eat corporate produced products such as snack foods, baked goods anything created with a chemical process. Corporations create these products at massive profit margins, we eat the crap and then the doctor prescribes a drug (or procedure) to address the illness these products create.
 
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Eating healthy is pretty simple in the most simple form.
Phrase like "eating heathy" have different meaning to different people.

Example = For the last 50 yrs I thought I was "eating healthy" because I was told & believed that whole foods like: eggs, butter, dairy, meat, etc, were unhealthy so I ate mostly processed carbs :( which made me unhealthy :(

15 mths ago I did a little research and learned what was what and turned this ole 68 yr old ship around :)
 
Processed food kills. This is undeniable in 2025. It just takes longer for some than others. Not a belief. Statistics.

Smoking kills.

For some - maybe not all - eliminating grains/grain flours, seed oils, sugar, juices is the ONLY way to metabolic health.

Some things we know with clarity in 2025.
Unfortunately, many of the things were know now with clarity in 2025 are things are quite inconsistent with what were were told was true 40 years ago.

But smoking is not one of those things. The health risks have been known even sine even before the Mad Men era when smoking was super popular.

Other things are less clear cut. But smoking has been known for a long time to be detrimental to health.
 
Live in the produce isle.

There. That's my nutrition book, see how many copies I sell.

Okay so you want more?!
*If it has a nutrition label on it, minimize consumption of it.
*If it was made in a factory it probably isn't food. If you must eat from the factory choose things with the fewest # of ingredients.
*We are omnivores because we are survivors of 200,000 years of evolution. But If you want health into old age then avoid animal products in general. This means even your fancy grass fed massaged cows---yup they aren't healthy either....well actually the cows are very healthy but one doesn't get healthy by consuming an animal that is healthy.--Ask a gorilla.
*Ignore everything I said and do whatever you want:), but I know what choices I make for myself.
 
Live in the produce isle.

There. That's my nutrition book, see how many copies I sell.

Okay so you want more?!
*If it has a nutrition label on it, minimize consumption of it.
*If it was made in a factory it probably isn't food. If you must eat from the factory choose things with the fewest # of ingredients.
*We are omnivores because we are survivors of 200,000 years of evolution. But If you want health into old age then avoid animal products in general. This means even your fancy grass fed massaged cows---yup they aren't healthy either....well actually the cows are very healthy but one doesn't get healthy by consuming an animal that is healthy.--Ask a gorilla.
*Ignore everything I said and do whatever you want:), but I know what choices I make for myself.
I think and my opinion you've been living under a rock the data and science tells us different but he you do you
 
Live in the produce isle.

There. That's my nutrition book, see how many copies I sell.

Okay so you want more?!
*If it has a nutrition label on it, minimize consumption of it.
*If it was made in a factory it probably isn't food. If you must eat from the factory choose things with the fewest # of ingredients.
*We are omnivores because we are survivors of 200,000 years of evolution. But If you want health into old age then avoid animal products in general. This means even your fancy grass fed massaged cows---yup they aren't healthy either....well actually the cows are very healthy but one doesn't get healthy by consuming an animal that is healthy.--Ask a gorilla.
*Ignore everything I said and do whatever you want:), but I know what choices I make for myself.
1/2 right
 
Though now I can barely tolerate anything with gluten/wheat in it, it wreaks havoc with my stomach. Then again, maybe I always had a sensitivity to it and just blamed it on being 300lbs and in general eating like garbage.
It may well be that it's neither the gluten nor the wheat that is to blame here, but the preparation. A lot of "gluten-intolerant" American tourists find out they can enjoy French or German bread and Italian pasta in europe and have none of the negative effects they're used to.

Especially with bread, how you set up the dough and how long you let it sit before baking makes a huge difference. Yeast or sourdough, given enough time, can break down a lot of the antinutrients present in grains.
 
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It may well be that it's neither the gluten nor the wheat that is to blame here, but the preparation. A lot of "gluten-intolerant" american tourists find out they can enjoy French or German bread and Italian pasta and have none of the negative effects they're used to.

Especially with bread, how you set up the dough and how long you let it sit before baking makes a huge difference. Yeast or sourdough, given enough time, can break down a lot of the antinutrients present in grains.
We were dying for some pasta so my wife did some research and got some imported from Italy pasta and it didn't mess either of us up like the "normal" stuff does. We didn't know why though...I didn't know it was a preparation thing!

I'm still dying to try that pasta they they pour onto a giant block of cheese, mix it up then serve you... One day 🤤
 
Read the labels @Skippy722, you'd be surprised how easy it is to find pasta Made In Italy at your grocery store. So you're going to pay 50c. more, who cares? It's totally worth it. From Wegman's to Publix it's there, you just have to look closely at the labels.

Pasta served in that wheel of cheese is overrated! Let me save you time and money, make it at home, it's way better. How do I know? My wife craved it while we were vacationing in NYC, she agreed it was a rip off. We paid a premium for it, but the view from the WTC, while having lunch was priceless; I'd go back again. My wife makes the best authentic Italian food (think UNESCO), it all starts with high quality imported ingredients, and the most important things, love and time (think Slow Food Movement).
 
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