Thoughts on diet and health
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I'm not saying to eat a high salt diet. I am saying that the illusion of the "healthy" salt restricted diets of the 60s and 70s killed a lot of people. Not getting enough salt elevates the heart rate, which is very bad. The vast majority of humans handle excess salt very well, which makes sense because we evolved in a salt rich environment. For those that have a genetic problem with salt and can't rid themselves of the excess, then by all means eat a low sodium diet.
I am saying to eat the right amount of salt not too little and not too much and for the vast majority that is not a salt restricted diet.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one sir and I have no problem with that
Read "The Salt Fix" and let me know if you have a different prospective for the majority. It is possible you can't remove salt correctly.We'll have to agree to disagree on this one sir and I have no problem with that
It won't, and there's no problem with me. 54yrs old, still bench and squat 315, strict curl 50's. 5'8 180lbs, bloodwork 3 times a year with very good results. GFR was a 93 last panel and that's an important one for me. If there was an issue with low sodium in my bloodwork I'd address it but it's remained between 137-141mmol/L for the last 10yrs.
I'm just not a believer in what's out there on salt consumption at the moment so I'll just continue doing what works for me
Interesting and I think the theory has some weight.
However, that’s just cholesterol, what’s it doing for insulin resistance and blood sugar?
Your range is very close to the optimal range of 135–142 mmol/L.It won't, and there's no problem with me. 54yrs old, still bench and squat 315, strict curl 50's. 5'8 180lbs, bloodwork 3 times a year with very good results. GFR was a 93 last panel and that's an important one for me. If there was an issue with low sodium in my bloodwork I'd address it but it's remained between 137-141mmol/L for the last 10yrs.
I'm just not a believer in what's out there on salt consumption at the moment so I'll just continue doing what works for me
This gives a good representation of high, optimal, and low dietary sodium intake.
Sodium Intake (Daily) Risk LevelObservation
High (> 6,000mg) Increased Risk Primarily linked to high blood pressure and stroke.
Moderate (3,000–5,000mg) Lowest Risk The "Sweet Spot" where cardiovascular events were lowest.
Low (< 2,300mg) Increased Risk Linked to higher heart rate, insulin resistance, and even heart failure.
Disclaimer-----Consult your doctor for your personal needs-----.. these are just MY personal thoughts:
Eat unprocessed food that comes directly from animals, the sea, or the soil. Get enough fiber, stay hydrated, exercise and avoid alcohol. Don't snack unless you really need the energy for some reason. The nature of the human body is to heal itself. If you cut the processed white flour, the seed oils, the sugar, bread, pastries, candy bars, donuts, mac and cheese, TV diners, pasta, sugary sauces, processed meats, etc, and only eat UNPROCESSED REAL FOOD, your body will get into a rhythm. You'll get to your ideal weight, won't have cravings all day long, blood sugar and blood pressure will stabilize, etc. "Moderation" takes care of itself when you avoid the junk that spikes your blood sugar and dopamine levels.
Bake 15 pounds of pork loin, fat side up, all at once for about 3.5 hours or until it falls apart. Buy 10 pounds of various frozen vegetables that you like. I mostly do peas, corn, and broccoli. When the meat is cool, use 12-ounce plastic deli containers and it makes about 40 "TV Dinners." I eat a raw carrot with it.
Scrambled eggs for breakfast with a small nuked potato if you desire carbs.
For lunch have a salad - lettuce red peppers, celery, carrot, cauliflower, feta cheese, some toasted pecans.
For dinner pull out a frozen TV dinner you made in advance and nuke it for 3.5 minutes. Eat something raw with it for more fiber.
Oranges, apples, cantelope, watermelon, berries, etc when you want. They are self-moderating foods.
There's nothing processed in any of that above. No colorful packaging, no nothing but real food that your body understands how to process. Salt foods gently, as needed. If sweating and exercising, eat more salt, get more electrolytes, drink more... If not exercising and sweating then just eat only the salt you need, so you don't overload the body. It's astonishing what you can learn by really THINKING about how you feel after eating something. Do you feel tired, bloated, stiff, etc? Then try eating only unprocessed foods. I did all of the above to about 90 percent.. Inflammation in the joints disappears. I got down to 170 pds from 200, cholesterol went way down to normal range, BP was on the edge of being high and is now completely normal. I'm getting deep REM sleep now, and that is from no booze whatsoever for 3 years now. Alcohol is poison. The buzz may feel good, but there's a price to pay for it. To me it feels better to get real sleep without it pulling on my brain.
M. A. H. A. MAKE AMERICA HEALTHY AGAIN.
Long live FLASH!
Eat unprocessed food that comes directly from animals, the sea, or the soil. Get enough fiber, stay hydrated, exercise and avoid alcohol. Don't snack unless you really need the energy for some reason. The nature of the human body is to heal itself. If you cut the processed white flour, the seed oils, the sugar, bread, pastries, candy bars, donuts, mac and cheese, TV diners, pasta, sugary sauces, processed meats, etc, and only eat UNPROCESSED REAL FOOD, your body will get into a rhythm. You'll get to your ideal weight, won't have cravings all day long, blood sugar and blood pressure will stabilize, etc. "Moderation" takes care of itself when you avoid the junk that spikes your blood sugar and dopamine levels.
Bake 15 pounds of pork loin, fat side up, all at once for about 3.5 hours or until it falls apart. Buy 10 pounds of various frozen vegetables that you like. I mostly do peas, corn, and broccoli. When the meat is cool, use 12-ounce plastic deli containers and it makes about 40 "TV Dinners." I eat a raw carrot with it.
Scrambled eggs for breakfast with a small nuked potato if you desire carbs.
For lunch have a salad - lettuce red peppers, celery, carrot, cauliflower, feta cheese, some toasted pecans.
For dinner pull out a frozen TV dinner you made in advance and nuke it for 3.5 minutes. Eat something raw with it for more fiber.
Oranges, apples, cantelope, watermelon, berries, etc when you want. They are self-moderating foods.
There's nothing processed in any of that above. No colorful packaging, no nothing but real food that your body understands how to process. Salt foods gently, as needed. If sweating and exercising, eat more salt, get more electrolytes, drink more... If not exercising and sweating then just eat only the salt you need, so you don't overload the body. It's astonishing what you can learn by really THINKING about how you feel after eating something. Do you feel tired, bloated, stiff, etc? Then try eating only unprocessed foods. I did all of the above to about 90 percent.. Inflammation in the joints disappears. I got down to 170 pds from 200, cholesterol went way down to normal range, BP was on the edge of being high and is now completely normal. I'm getting deep REM sleep now, and that is from no booze whatsoever for 3 years now. Alcohol is poison. The buzz may feel good, but there's a price to pay for it. To me it feels better to get real sleep without it pulling on my brain.
M. A. H. A. MAKE AMERICA HEALTHY AGAIN.
Long live FLASH!
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Yeah, I remember seeing an upside down horseshoe curved graph on mortality.
It won't, and there's no problem with me. 54yrs old, still bench and squat 315, strict curl 50's. 5'8 180lbs, bloodwork 3 times a year with very good results. GFR was a 93 last panel and that's an important one for me. If there was an issue with low sodium in my bloodwork I'd address it but it's remained between 137-141mmol/L for the last 10yrs.
I'm just not a believer in what's out there on salt consumption at the moment so I'll just continue doing what works for me
Username makes sense now
And to add to "alcohol is poison"... my theory is that anything processed is poison to some degree. Alcohol happens to be extremely processed. But anything that has beed refined, like four, or all the various kinds of sugars like corn syrup, etc. Anything refined gives you that instant pleasure, but there's a crash you get from it. Now eat an orange or apple and that's natures way of giving the body sugar, vitamins, electrolytes, but in a steady way. There's fiber in it. Sugar drinks like coke are basically poison, but it just takes longer to wear you down than say alcohol. Look at the ingredients in Ben and Jerry's ice cream. Those **** hippies! Yeah it tastes great, if you want to get high. But there's a million processed things in the ingredient list. Just eat UNPROCESSED foods- get raw nuts and toast them yourself or eat them raw. Anything that the big food processing companies have not gotten their filthy, grimy, hands on! Screw them and their colorful packaging and marketing. They do not care about their customers. At least some don't. Oh they'll defend those seed oils in the fries won't they!!!! Watch a video on how seed oils are manufactured and see if you want to eat that in every **** food you buy at the store. What the heck did they do to this country?!!!!!! I'm a free market guy, but it's gotten to where our healthcare system is going bust because of the poison America gobbles all day everyday. Adding 20 million illegals in 4 years doesn't help either... but things are changing for the better. Takes time for people to wake up. One day kids will grow up just knowing what's poison and what isn't.
You know that's not really the point.
Main point, or my take - everyone needs to do right by their body type.
Of course Oreos are completely unhealthy. I suppose he could have done the same with sugar. Using something unhealthy to lower cholesterol is worse than cholesterol itself. Target being missed example? Or it's the wrong target?
I like the way he did that. Reminds me of my journey in some ways.
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Side question:
Is 315 your 1rm for each of those lifts? If so, unusual for those two to be the same. At your height/weight, a 315 bench is advanced intermediate (and approaching full advanced). But a 315 squat (especially given the leverages your height generally affords) is good but solidly intermediate.
Rare to see 1rm for bench and squat be the same, and even more so at your height as the average powerlifter squats 1.3-1.4x their bench, while those shorter in stature tend to have ratios greater than 1.5x (sometimes as high as 2x).
So, wondering if 315 was just an indication of a minimal standard for your squat, if perhaps you don't push legs that hard, or maybe you're just an outlier from the norm.
I'm thinking that your username may provide the answer to my question but just wanted to confirm out of my own curiosity.
Off topic and not really my business, so feel free to ignore if you prefer.
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The theme of my original post starting this thread was that the relationship of diet and nutrition with long term health is extraordinarily complex, and therefore we should be wary of the quality of “studies”, the distorted conclusions drawn from them, the selfish bias of the media, and the lack of consensus among qualified professionals, and we should resist forming and spreading hard opinions based on such questionable and highly variable sources.
After 133 subsequent posts it’s enlightening to see how many posters read that original post, and amazing to see the number of qualified professional doctors, dieticians, and nutritionists we have here on BITOG.
/sarcasm
After 133 subsequent posts it’s enlightening to see how many posters read that original post, and amazing to see the number of qualified professional doctors, dieticians, and nutritionists we have here on BITOG.
/sarcasm
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I'm retired now, but in my previous career as a biomedical research professor who used dynamical systems mathematics and large-scale modeling specifically to study the role of complexity in biochemical network structure and function, I can affirm that you are exactly correct with the theme you presented.
I also have stated that a good part of the reason I retired from academics was because both the university and the research it produces has followed the Hoffer path of "a cause that began as a movement, evolved into a business, and degenerated into a racket."
Your point that we "therefore we should be wary of the quality of 'studies', the distorted conclusions drawn from them, the selfish bias of the media, and the lack of consensus among qualified professionals" is the right response to a university-industrial-media complex that has moved firmly into the "racket" stage.
After 133 subsequent posts it’s enlightening to see how many posters read that original post, and amazing to see the number of qualified professional doctors, dieticians, and nutritionists we have here on BITOG.
This phenomenon is common among low human capital and to be totally expected in response to your OP.
I've always believed in the equation Happiness = Reality/Expectations. Always adjust your denominator for the audience if you want to be happy.
Please post an example of someone pretending they are one of the aboveThe theme of my original post starting this thread was that the relationship of diet and nutrition with long term health is extraordinarily complex, and therefore we should be wary of the quality of “studies”, the distorted conclusions drawn from them, the selfish bias of the media, and the lack of consensus among qualified professionals, and we should resist forming and spreading hard opinions based on such questionable and highly variable sources.
After 133 subsequent posts it’s enlightening to see how many posters read that original post, and amazing to see the number of qualified professional doctors, dieticians, and nutritionists we have here on BITOG.
Tom NJ
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Not saying anyone is pretending, but that so few if any claim the qualifications. In other words, firm beliefs based on the very unreliable sources I tried to warn against.
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Agreed, and my expectations based on previous such discussion here is exactly what we got. Still I feel it is worth while to inject some reality from time to time for what it is worth.
In my case I have been told wrong by so many professionals they made me open my mind. I believe I am not unique here.
Truth the food pyramid in the day sums it up. It's always ooops i guess we were wrong
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