Thoughts on diet and health

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

If eggs are truly baaaad for us, then I been on borrowed time for many many years now. Eggs have been my go to meal when ever I am not feeling up to eating too much heavy / rich cooked food. I lean more to the protein side (eggs at least 2-3 times a week) and have not been doing enough veggies for a while now. I need to get back to it soon. Once someone eats enough veggies in their diet and they see how good it makes you feel, it gets easy to make yourself do it. I just need to learn to do what I been taught that I know works for me instead of being too lazy to do it lately.

 

[SC Maintenance]

If eggs are truly baaaad for us, then I been on borrowed time for many many years now. Eggs have been my go to meal when ever I am not feeling up to eating too much heavy / rich cooked food. I lean more to the protein side (eggs at least 2-3 times a week) and have not been doing enough veggies for a while now. I need to get back to it soon. Once someone eats enough veggies in their diet and they see how good it makes you feel, it gets easy to make yourself do it. I just need to learn to do what I been taught that I know works for me instead of being too lazy to do it lately.

Eggs were good. Then they were bad. Now there good. Unless you have cholesterol issues - then there bad.

I think you made the OP's point.

I like eggs. I often hard boil them. I wonder how much of the bad has to due with frying them in processed seed oils?

 

[Donald]

There are certainly a lot of dubious articles on the Internet about nutrition and health.

I tend to buy books written by doctors of PhD.

 

[Pablo]

There are certainly a lot of dubious articles on the Internet about nutrition and health.

I tend to buy books written by doctors of PhD.

Yes and some dubious information from doctors

 

[goblin]

I often wonder what us "modern folks" are doing to ourselves with a thing we never needed before. The biggest money grab ever "Bottled water!" that we all over time got conditioned that we can not live without!? How much plastic are we ingesting thru that one?

I can chime in here...
When I was a kid I would spend extended amount of time at my grandma and cousins' place in a different city. The tap water there I used to call "slippery water". The specific think about it was that it had no taste, and I could drink gallons of it and still be thirsty. I absolutely hated it.

Then one day my cousin visited us and at some point mentioned "Funny water you have here, it has no taste, and I keep drinking and I'm still thirsty". Then it hit me that for him our tap water was like their tap water to me.

Years later someone told me it's about the PH or something. The PH you get used to as a kid is the one you like. Not valid for all people, but for many.

The tap water I'm used to from young age tastes sweet. It doesn't help that just in my neighborhood there were three different mineral springs, with two of them set with publicly accessible fountains where you could go fill a bottle or something bigger. And our tap water was piped directly from the mountain, and had a taste different from what the other neighborhoods were getting.

In the US, the bottled water that most matches it is the Kirkland one from Costco. It tastes close to what I grew up with. If that one is not available, I can make do with Poland Springs, but barely. Everything else tastes like cooking oil to me.

From the "fancy" ones - the Evian is my nightmare. I can't drink that thing unless I'm dying from thirst.

So it's really mostly about taste, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Lubener]

Protein and fat. That's the standard American diet. There's an obesity pandemic. I don't think I need a citation here. Just open your eyes. US has a 40% obesity rate. Abysmal. Skyrocketing child obesity rates.

The lack of physical activity can be the blame for the obesity problem. Long ago, a person could enjoy the bad foods many times and still stay in good shape because they were always active from hard work (farm, laborer work etc.) most of the day. You can blame the tv and smart phone use ( especially at very early ages) for most of the obesity problems today.

 

[Dave Hess]

Past 50 year old I cut waaaay down on junk food, sodium, saturated fat, artificial coloring, artificial flavoring, preservatives, seed oils, chemicals, etc….

 

[buster]

I have a friend that is heavily into nutrition/health/diets etc. He will send me videos of Physicians talking about studies and breaking them down. It's so multivariate. So much so I stopped paying attention and just try and eat as health as possible but I don't stress about it. I think the basics are pretty sound - eat wholefoods, limit sugar/salt/saturated fat/preservatives.

Check out Dr. Rhonda Patrick she's pretty hardcore on this stuff.

 

[Pablo]

Some of the studies and meta studies look official, but when you get into them, still seem pretty bunk.

The worst offending studies are based on quizzing people on past foods and quantities of foods. No way will further massaging that info add accuracy. Also watching for lumping together of foods, with little regard to granularity.

Examples: MANY of the studies condemning red meat are only based on "highly processed foods" using food intake questionnaires.

And with humans, not only is it fuzzy what the actual intake was, what combinations of foods were being eaten.

I'm not writing this to defend meat, but studies either way just based on surveys only, I just don't believe them.

 

[Pablo]

Another thing to look at - even with on going "prescribed" diet studies (say LCHF, vs LF vs LF NPF diets for example) is the drop out rate. Say they start with a low number, that's lousy pop representation anyway and half bail before completion? Even if they start with 1000 people in each group (very rare, if ever) and the three, are down to 400, 350, 290 people in each, I think this really could skew the outcome. But some publish anyway and people run with it.

 

[buster]

I like watching Dr. IDZ and others destroy pseudo-scientific nonsense put out by people. There are also two top notch doctors that just breakdown the studies.

So many variables including external environmental we are often unaware of. We probably all have microplastics in us. So food intake alone is just one factor.

 

[Pablo]

I like watching Dr. IDZ and others destroy pseudo-scientific nonsense put out by people. There are also two top notch doctors that just breakdown the studies.

So many variables including external environmental we are often unaware of. We probably all have microplastics in us. So food intake alone is just one factor.

He seems OK. But somewhat mainstream. His debunking is good. But his fear of saturated fats is a bit questionable. Low fat everything got us here.........

I agree - some things we just never know. Something we were exposed to years ago. I mean my first 15 years of my life, leaded gas was the only fuel and still available until I was 18 or so. I mean I'm sure I got plenty of Pb in my system. Just an example (even when I was shooting more frequently my blood Pb was never elevated)

 

[buster]

"People who regularly ate higher-fat cheese and cream had a lower risk of developing dementia over 25 years, according to a new study.
The study did not find similar benefits for low-fat cheese, low-fat cream or butter. Milk consumption, whether high- or low-fat, also did not lower dementia risk."

Look, a new study! LOL

https://jakesjourney.co/rhonda-patricks-favorite-supplements-a-comprehensive-guide/

If she doesn't live to 120 it wasn't worth it.

 

[Pew]

"People who regularly ate higher-fat cheese and cream had a lower risk of developing dementia over 25 years, according to a new study.
The study did not find similar benefits for low-fat cheese, low-fat cream or butter. Milk consumption, whether high- or low-fat, also did not lower dementia risk."

Look, a new study! LOL

https://jakesjourney.co/rhonda-patricks-favorite-supplements-a-comprehensive-guide/

If she doesn't live to 120 it wasn't worth it.

You sure there wasn't fine print in there that also said the people with lower risk of developing dementia were never married

 

[awguy]

That was my first thought also.

Cavemen ate pretty healthy, lived to be 23 or so.

Most peasants in the 12th century ate a lot of bread and taters, lived to about 48 or so.

Cavemen live to 23 or so... until eaten by a lion or stomped on by an elephant.

Peasants in 12th century live til 48 or so... until the black plague of death or war.

 

[goblin]

Had a friend back in the country whose dad was a bit older than ours. He was well into his forties when my friend was born.

Said dad's parents married young in the early 1900s. Within a few years, they got five kids.
The dad (well - the dad of the dad, technically) was then drafted in the Balkan wars (that's the Director's cut WW1 with about two extra years of previously unseen early footage and bloopers), and ended up not setting foot home and not seeing his wife for five or six years.

In other stories men returning home after a long absence would find extra kids in the household - in this case he found none. All passed away from one thing or the other. Malnutrition, typhoid, Spanish flu - you name it.

"Qu'à cela ne tienne", as the French would say. They were still young. By the end of the mid-1930s they had five more kids - some of them into their teens, then my friend's dad - the youngest, born somewhere in the mid-30's. The runt of the litter.

By the end of WW2, he was the last surviving kid. The other four were gone.
So - human mileage varies.

 

[53' Stude]

"People who regularly ate higher-fat cheese and cream had a lower risk of developing dementia over 25 years, according to a new study.
The study did not find similar benefits for low-fat cheese, low-fat cream or butter. Milk consumption, whether high- or low-fat, also did not lower dementia risk."

Look, a new study! LOL

https://jakesjourney.co/rhonda-patricks-favorite-supplements-a-comprehensive-guide/

If she doesn't live to 120 it wasn't worth it.

What bout if cholesterol issues are hereditary

 

[wwillson]

What bout if cholesterol issues are hereditary

There are people who have genetic issues where their body makes bad cholesterol. Note that "makes" is the important term. The problem is not ingested cholesterol. We now know that no ingested cholesterol makes it into our bloodstream.

There are also people who eat way too many carbs which makes your body produce bad cholesterol.

For those who genetically drew the short straw, there are medications that help a lot. For those who are insulin resistant and produce bad cholesterol, stop eating so many carbs and start moving.

 

[53' Stude]

There are people who have genetic issues where their body makes bad cholesterol. Note that "makes" is the important term. The problem is not ingested cholesterol. We now know that no ingested cholesterol makes it into our bloodstream.

There are also people who eat way too many carbs which makes your body produce bad cholesterol.

For those who genetically drew the short straw, there are medications that help a lot. For those who are insulin resistant and produce bad cholesterol, stop eating so many carbs and start moving.

Good advice sir. Mine is low as is brothers. I’m blessed

 

[53' Stude]

To the poster that says we all don’t get enough salt: that’s a bold faced lie. I’d love to see the proof we don’t get enough