Thinking about a used Corolla, Yaris or Prius!

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The 2003-2008 Corolla was the 9th generation, not the 10th generation as previously posted. I agree that it's perhaps the best generation of the Corolla, with one exception (read on). Besides the XRS, the only engine is the excellent 1.8L 1ZZ-FE. If you're looking for an auto, you won't get the XRS anyway (6-sp only). The engine's got a timing chain for durability, oil/filter changes are an absolute snap, and the car overall is just very easy and pleasant to own. With a good set of tires, and some light weight alloys (I had 2nd gen Prius wheels on mine), the handling is surprisingly neutral for a FWD car, and the suspension is firm enough that it'll hang any corner that you care to drive on the street. Will it keep up with a new IS-F on Tail of the Dragon? No. Will it provide a lot of smiles-to-the-mile while giving you 35mpg in return? Yes.

The ONLY thing I didn't like about the '07 model I owned was the steering wheel and driving position. That generation BADLY needed a telescoping steering column, but it wasn't available. The 10th generation (2009-current) has it, but not the 9th generation. As a result, the driving position seems awkward until you get used to it. If I had the seat back so my legs were as extended as I wanted, my arms were reaching for the wheel. For my arms to be comfortable, my legs were more tight than I wanted. I eventually found a happy medium, but I'd still have preferred a movable wheel (it does tilt, but no telescope). The ergonomics are breathtakingly simple and the whole car is super easy to use.

ABS was not standard on that generation, so look out for that (if you want it). The LE model is where it's at, in my opinion. It had an upscale look to the interior, and added power accessories as standard equipment, and includes the cool Optitron instrument meters. The S model had the plastic body work and blackout interior, but with white face gauges. The CE model was the base model, and if you want power accessories, you'd have to find a CE with those added. Mine was an LE with a stick, a hard combo to find. But they're out there.

Overall, I think the 9th generation is a fantastic package. The car is light (2,500 pounds), very tossable, efficient, and roomy enough for a daily driver. I think it's pretty hard to beat for a small car.
 
Maybe you can find a low mileage lean burn Civic HX, they get 45+ MPG on the highway but are some what hard to find.

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Yaris have head gasket problems with leaks ?

Wasn't there a BITOG member with 2 Yaris in his family and both had a leaky head gasket.
 
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Maybe you can find a low mileage lean burn Civic HX, they get 45+ MPG on the highway but are some what hard to find.





I could be wrong but I don't think the HX model was ever sold up here in Canada, but just in the US only.
 
Our '03 has been a great car to date(knock on wood). We got a steal on it to, $6,000 and only 25,000 miles at time of purchase. This was from one of my fiancees colleagues.

Great cars and as mentioned, very easy to work on. BTW, if you get one, the Motorcraft FL400S fits on this car. Extra capacity and a cheap quality filter!
 
" Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Yaris have head gasket problems with leaks ? "

Can't say all have them . But most I've checked from '07 to '10 do . Luck of the draw .


" Wasn't there a BITOG member with 2 Yaris in his family and both had a leaky head gasket. "

Present ! The '08 sedan fixed under warranty with no oil leak so far and one to go ( 2010 3 door ). Our friend has a 2010 3 door that leaks oil same as our '10 does and '08 did . He has drove over 60,000 miles and it seems to be going strong . We're wating to see if his ---- out ( guinea pig ). He has an extended TOYOTA warranty of 7 years and 125,000 miles , so he's keeping his fingers crossed . Just posted a U.O.A. for the 2010 with the oil leak from the M.L.S. head cylinder gasket of cylinder #1 . So far , it looks to have no impact at 16,611 miles and counting .
 
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Originally Posted By: Patman
I'm now considering another alternative, an 06 or 07 Honda Civic coupe.


The early Civics of that generation did have some issues. A cracked engine block was an issue on some of them, but Honda extended the warranty on it. My friend's 06 had a cracked block at around 40k.
 
I am really leaning towards the Civic coupe now, the more I see them on the road the more I like them, and the more Corollas and Yaris's I see the more I find them boring to me. And I'm having a flashback to the time I had my 87 Mustang GT as my daily driver and decided to get something new as a second car/daily driver to keep the Mustang out of bad weather. I ended up buying a new 4 door 93 Sunbird but after a short time I realized that I'm just too much of a sports car fan to drive something that boring. After less than a year and a half I ended up trading it in for a new 94 Grand AM GT V6. So if I end up buying something like the Corolla or Yaris, I would end up regretting it real fast. At least with the Civic Coupe it's still very good on gas, very reliable, but is just enough of a "fun car" to keep me interested.
 
Originally Posted By: Patman
I am really leaning towards the Civic coupe now, the more I see them on the road the more I like them, and the more Corollas and Yaris's I see the more I find them boring to me. And I'm having a flashback to the time I had my 87 Mustang GT as my daily driver and decided to get something new as a second car/daily driver to keep the Mustang out of bad weather. I ended up buying a new 4 door 93 Sunbird but after a short time I realized that I'm just too much of a sports car fan to drive something that boring. After less than a year and a half I ended up trading it in for a new 94 Grand AM GT V6. So if I end up buying something like the Corolla or Yaris, I would end up regretting it real fast. At least with the Civic Coupe it's still very good on gas, very reliable, but is just enough of a "fun car" to keep me interested.



I assume you're talking about the current (8th gen) Civic vs an 05 or earlier?
 
Now that I have a few more minutes I want to expand on my above post. If you're talking about an 8th gen this may be relevant, otherwise it's probably not.

When you say the Civic coupe would be enough of a "fun" car to keep you interested, what type of "fun" are you going for? As the owner of an 07 Civic EX coupe, I have some thoughts on the idea.

First, the car is capable of being fun to drive, especially with a little suspension modification. I replaced the rear sway bar on mine with that from the SI and it made a noticeable difference in cornering response. If I have the car long enough for shocks to wear out, I'll be replacing those with HFP parts most likely, and likewise for brakes when I have to replace those probably in another 10-20k miles (at 67k miles right now).

Also, IMO, it is a good looking car, inside and out. I think the exterior lines are very nice, and I still love the two tier instrument cluster. The speed is right below the line of sight out the windshield and very readable, and the split design makes it possible for have a big tach dead center (where it should be!) in an economy car -- where most of the time the tach is relegated to a smaller size and a position off to the side.

What it doesn't have is power. Mine is an MT, and I've never driven the AT model but I know it tests slower than the MT. Driving my car in the twisties near where I live, it doesn't have quite the suspension tightness to take corners real fast (although that can be fixed) and it doesn't have enough power to regain speed out of the corners. I'm sure a better driver could get more out of it than I can, though.

Maintenance is plenty easy in general despite the extreme cab forward design. Note there is a TSB and warranty extension out there for cracking blocks on the 1.8 Civics from 06-08 and some early 09s. Plenty of info on that on the net.

Given what you're trying to do here, I think this car could be a good choice. The only thing I have against my car is that it doesn't have enough grunt to really push me back in my seat, and it doesn't have that RWD feel. Since you're keeping the Vette, though, that wouldn't be a problem for you!

Just to throw it out there, the Mazda3 is another good option. My wife's car is an 08 with the 2.3 engine and while it's only marginally (if noticeably) tighter than the Civic coupe in terms of driving dynamics, it does have more pep. The penalty is that she gets 29-30 mpg on our commute while I get 33-34 generally. Not a huge difference.
 
Yes, it would be an 06 or 07 Civic that I would be looking at. For me, when I say fun, it doesn't have to be something super quick, just something that looks reasonably sporty looking and that doesn't topple over in quicker corners. I definitely want an automatic, and don't mind that I'll lose a bit of acceleration as a result.

I do like the Mazda 3 a lot actually, in fact I recently had one as a rental car for about three weeks and I was kind of sad to have to give it back! I never did check the gas mileage (I never filled the tank completely, I was putting in ten bucks at a time, as I never knew for sure how long I was going to have it for) but it seemed to be decent enough. I suspect with that big 2.3L engine it wouldn't be nearly as good as the 1.8L engine in the Civic (even though both engines make close to the same horsepower)
 
I'd probably lean toward a Mazda 3 'GT'....they are pretty sporty for an econo car, and there are lots to choose from.
 
+1 on the Mazda 3. The 2.3 would be more fun than a Civic and it's a solid motor. I would imagine 30mpg would be about right. We get about 31mpg highway in our heavier 2.5 Fusion.
 
I think the mazda3 you had probably had the 2.0L, the 2.3 has 30+hp over a regular Civic engine. I think that there won't be too many reasonably priced 2.3 mazda3's anyways.
A Civic coupe would be fun though, my buddy had an '03 with a rsx rear sway bar and it took me a year to beat him on raw times in autocross, and his car was a class below my Neon...
 
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
I think the mazda3 you had probably had the 2.0L, the 2.3 has 30+hp over a regular Civic engine. I think that there won't be too many reasonably priced 2.3 mazda3's anyways.
A Civic coupe would be fun though, my buddy had an '03 with a rsx rear sway bar and it took me a year to beat him on raw times in autocross, and his car was a class below my Neon...


The difference isn't quite that big. The 2.3 Mazda3 is rated around 150 hp (exact number differs between the years and between PZEV and non PZEV numbers) while the Civic is rated at 140. The difference is the torque, where the Civic is rated 128 at 4300 RPM and the 2.3 Mazda at around 150 ft*lbs at 4500 RPM. You can feel the difference but it's not extreme (and IMO it's a relatively small difference for an engine with almost 25% more displacement).

I'm not sure what the numbers would end up actually being but FWIW the 5 speed auto Mazda3s (with manual shifting available) are rated about the same fuel economy as the 5 speed manual ones. In the Civic, the auto is rated a little better than the manual due to taller gearing.
 
I guess I read the Japanese specs for the 2.3, its 168hp. 156hp is 2001 2.0L Neon-like!
Maybe Patman should try a early 2000's with the 150hp magnum motor, its probably 1/2 price to a base model civic of the same year. An R/T is on my shortlist of cars to look for when my Neon dies.
 
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
I think the mazda3 you had probably had the 2.0L,



Oops, you are right! I thought that the base Mazda3 engine was the 2.3 and the GT had the 2.5.

I just don't think the gas mileage on the Mazda 3 would be as good as on the Civic though. I want a fun car but I really need something that's going to get 30-35 MPG in my mixed commute and can get close to 40 on the highway. I don't think that would be an easy feat with the Mazda. (I believe it's only rated 25 city/33 highway)
 
Originally Posted By: Patman
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
I think the mazda3 you had probably had the 2.0L,



Oops, you are right! I thought that the base Mazda3 engine was the 2.3 and the GT had the 2.5.

I just don't think the gas mileage on the Mazda 3 would be as good as on the Civic though. I want a fun car but I really need something that's going to get 30-35 MPG in my mixed commute and can get close to 40 on the highway. I don't think that would be an easy feat with the Mazda. (I believe it's only rated 25 city/33 highway)


Sounds like you've made up your mind
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Good luck on the search, I'm sure there's a Civic that will fit the bill.
 
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Sounds like you've made up your mind
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Good luck on the search, I'm sure there's a Civic that will fit the bill.


I'm far from having made up my mind yet!
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Between now and the six or seven month time period when I actually buy the car, I'll probably change my mind 6 or 7 times as to what I want!
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I'm glad I've got a lot of time to think this over though, it's going to give me a long time to research the pros and cons of many different vehicles.
 
Originally Posted By: Patman

I just don't think the gas mileage on the Mazda 3 would be as good as on the Civic though. I want a fun car but I really need something that's going to get 30-35 MPG in my mixed commute and can get close to 40 on the highway. I don't think that would be an easy feat with the Mazda. (I believe it's only rated 25 city/33 highway)


You're probably right. My commute is pretty hilly (though mostly highway) and I drive sort of hard but I essentially never get under 32 mpg including misc around town driving, even in the winter. On my drive down to my dad's (which is also plenty hilly along the coast) I've gotten up to 42 mpg or so with very vigilant driving.

I picked the Civic over the Mazda3 because of fuel economy as well. If I could go back and do it again I think I would get the 3, but if I had a faster car in my garage in addition I don't think I'd feel the same way
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