The polar vortex is coming

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In my 60 years of existence, all of it living in NJ, I find that winters have been real cold, mild, real snowy or not snowy. It's called weather and it's variable. Live with it. It's not a new phenomenon.

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I disagree. The American Advancement for the Advancement of Science, National Academy of Science and The American Medical Association all came to the consensus human influenced climate change is real.

Drew you put way too much faith in Weatherbell and Bastaardi. They don’t want us to be reminded that our government electrified the nation, developed nuclear power, put a man on the moon, eliminated polio and invented the Internet. I trust these institutions as much as any private company.

I guess all the stats are wrong and hyperinflation is real too.
 
If you go back tens of thousands of years the earth was actually WARMER than it is today.

"Climate Change" has been going on tens of millions of years before
mankind ever started his first fire. LOL
 
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Since we started this little experiment, burning all the stored carbon at exponentially increasing rates, we HAVE made changes.

We have increased the concentration of a naturally occurring gas by over 50%...that's a fact.

What it MEANS is the subject of the debate.

Nothing is but one option, but we've already materially altered the atmosphere, so I discount the nothing hypothesis as akin to an ostrich.

It makes the trees grow...is true, but they've demonstrated that they aren't the controlling factor, through exibit A, the atmospheric CO2 concentrations climbing...but they surely help.

Catastrophic alarmists are the chicken little opposite to the ostriches. They only think that they can get your attention by predicting catastrophe...and they look like idiots.

Like everything in this modern, polarised world, the truth is somewhere in the middle, and we don't know the outcome until we know it...and we can't change out mind at that point, or scrub off the whiteboard and starts the calculations over.

As to Trav's point about money grab...Oz (Gillard Govt) introduced a carbon tax, "overcompensated the poor" (their words) by 60+ percent, giving them more money back than they were going to spend on the tax (taking the cost effects away from people changes their behaviour how ???), overtaxed the not poor to compensate, then handed out Billions to the brown coalers to stop THEM from feeling the issue....as one of them slipped on T.V., it was a great opportunity for a redistribution of wealth, and they took it.

They used the issue to push through their agenda...and it cost them, and that cynical move "proved" to a large number of the public that it was all a stunt, to get in your pockets and give it to someone else.
 
Originally Posted By: buster
I disagree. The American Advancement for the Advancement of Science, National Academy of Science and The American Medical Association all came to the consensus human influenced climate change is real.

Drew you put way too much faith in Weatherbell and Bastaardi. They don’t want us to be reminded that our government electrified the nation, developed nuclear power, put a man on the moon, eliminated polio and invented the Internet. I trust these institutions as much as any private company.

I guess all the stats are wrong and hyperinflation is real too.


The stats and data are fudged man! Over 5000 emails from the likes of Alex Jones proves it with their own words. They were even emailing each other to delete the emails.
There is no consensus, the AMA will back any agenda they think can use to bring money into the medical business. Think about it, why would this organization be involved with the unproven sudo science of climate change?

But never mind all that lets say for the sake of argument there was a consensus.
A consensus based on the data given to them by people determined to further an agenda who deliberately manipulated data for profit. Where is the consensus now?
It is a consensus based on garbage and psycho babble!

Al Gore is no scientist, never was and never will be yet because of the agenda the idiots at the Nobel committee gave him a Nobel prize. He pushed this agenda to cash in!
The Nobel prize has no credibility any more because of their agenda and political driven policies. They even gave one guy a peace prize before he even took office.

When Pennzoil posted a Noack of 6% there was a consensus on this board that it was because of the GTL, what would happen to that consensus if it was found out they used the wrong data sheet?
A consensus based on junk is not a consensus its a farce. As they say garbage in equals garbage out.
 
Polar vortex ot not, it's forecasted to be in the 60s over the next three days.

Top down weather. Go see the USS New Jersey maybe.
 
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from the likes of Alex Jones proves it


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I think the more serious matter is the deforestation (devegetation) of the planet, that is probably one of THE most
critical elements when it comes to our current climate change situation. After all the trees use that CO2 and produce O2 they are the natural balance to mankinds' extra CO2 production.
 
I think there is a lot involved with all that as well. I'm not a GW alarmist at all. I was once a huge skeptic. I'm curious how much of it is human vs space weather.
 
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
NEWS FLASH

Winter is coming, more at 8...




Deciding between this and Pop's quotes here...best so far!
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Please continue this interesting thread....
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Originally Posted By: Trav
The claim of 97% of climatologists believe there is man made warming is questionable.
The truth is there were a few now disgraced agenda driven so called scientist that phonied up some data.

Their own emails exposed them. There may well be some global warming but i don't believe its man made either, we should not pass laws and endanger the economy based on agenda driven opinion and not based on science.
The science didn't support their claims so the reworked the data, that is probably the only thing that has been proven.

Questioning man made global warming is not selling out it is using common sense. these people have proven themselves capable of distorting data to suit themselves.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136

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Blah blah blah...

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Eight committees investigated the allegations and published reports, finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct.[15] However, the reports called on the scientists to avoid any such allegations in the future by taking steps to regain public confidence in their work, for example by opening up access to their supporting data, processing methods and software, and by promptly honouring freedom of information requests.[16] The scientific consensus that global warming is occurring as a result of human activity remained unchanged throughout the investigations.[17]
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Most of the emails concerned technical and mundane aspects of climate research, such as data analysis and details of scientific conferences.[29] The Guardian's analysis of the emails suggests that the hacker had filtered them. Four scientists were targeted and a concordance plot shows that the words "data", "climate", "paper", "research", "temperature" and "model" were predominant.[21] The controversy has focused on a small number of emails[29] with 'climate sceptic' websites picking out particular phrases, such as one in which Kevin Trenberth said, "The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t".[20] This was actually part of a discussion on the need for better monitoring of the energy flows involved in short-term climate variability,[30] but was grossly mischaracterised by critics.[31][32]

Many commentators quoted one email in which Phil Jones said he had used "Mike's Nature trick" in a 1999 graph for the World Meteorological Organization "to hide the decline" in proxy temperatures derived from tree ring analyses when measured temperatures were actually rising. This 'decline' referred to the well-discussed tree ring divergence problem, but these two phrases were taken out of context by climate change sceptics, including US Senator Jim Inhofe and former Governor of Alaska Sarah Palin, as though they referred to some decline in measured global temperatures, even though they were written when temperatures were at a record high.[32] John Tierney, writing in the New York Times in November 2009, said that the claims by sceptics of "hoax" or "fraud" were incorrect, but that the graph on the cover of a report for policy makers and journalists did not show these non-experts where proxy measurements changed to measured temperatures.[33] The final analyses from various subsequent inquiries concluded that in this context 'trick' was normal scientific or mathematical jargon for a neat way of handling data, in this case a statistical method used to bring two or more different kinds of data sets together in a legitimate fashion.[34][35] The EPA notes that in fact, the evidence shows that the research community was fully aware of these issues and that no one was hiding or concealing them.[36]


From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy

How's the "Heartland Institute" doing?
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Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
If you go back tens of thousands of years the earth was actually WARMER than it is today.

"Climate Change" has been going on tens of millions of years before
mankind ever started his first fire. LOL


No, actually it almost directly corresponds with the rise of organized agriculture and especially with the Industrial Revolution...
 
Originally Posted By: sciphi
(upstate NY) ... Just another winter...


I'm good with that if you are! Loving the perfect weather in Sydney this week.

Frankly you denialists amuse me to no end. Anyone with a university degree in a field of science knows fully well how the investigative process works and would readily accept the overwhelming evidence. It's a shame that voting does not take that into account given the relatively technical content of our lives. Even politicians are slowly realizing the issue and they are surely the most self-serving people in our society.
 
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
If you go back tens of thousands of years the earth was actually WARMER than it is today.

"Climate Change" has been going on tens of millions of years before
mankind ever started his first fire. LOL


No, actually it almost directly corresponds with the rise of organized agriculture and especially with the Industrial Revolution...


The tripe that gets peddled by global warming (aka climate change) believers is unbelievable, in fact they are bald faced lies.
There is no consensus, there are no 98% of scientist believing this nonsense or anything else.
This is a money making scheme nothing else.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1...scientists.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/10/19/how-to-make-money-off-of-global-warming-fears/
 
Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
I guess the people of buffalo know about this polar vortex!


They call that lake effect snow and can hit only one side of a city and leave the other snowless...totally different...it is light and fluffy and supposed to rain in the next day or snow...the exact opposite to frigid cold front.
 
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Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: Smokescreen
Polar Vortex = the latest term for winter cold snap.


It's not a "winter cold snap"; it's the coldest air in the northern hemisphere which typically stays at the north pole, getting shunted to the eastern half of the US. It's not something that typically happens. It's not a new term, it's a scientific reality. Both poles have the coldest air on Earth for obvious reasons which contain normally stationary cyclones that typically don't retreat that far from the poles.


I work for the NWS and our meteorologists are saying the chances of the U.S. being hit by another polar vortex again this year is are slim to none...whatever we get this year will most likely be just a plain ol' winter...and there is no such thing as man made global warming...
 
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