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DEE DEE da da da...This just an 8 second 0 to 60 is still slow.
I couldn't resist.
Carry on
I couldn't resist.
The General's New Car-- Chevy Cruze
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People always used to say that 10 s was the border between "fun" and "not fun." There has recently been a performance arms race, so that border has probably moved to 9 s.
We have one 9.5 s car in the fleet. It's awful. My main car is a 7.5 s car, and it's the first car that I've ever had that I feel is "fast enough." And mid-7s is not even considered "fast" these days!
I don't think I would be willing to buy a >8.5 s car anymore (with exceptions made for collector vehicles).
We have one 9.5 s car in the fleet. It's awful. My main car is a 7.5 s car, and it's the first car that I've ever had that I feel is "fast enough." And mid-7s is not even considered "fast" these days!
I don't think I would be willing to buy a >8.5 s car anymore (with exceptions made for collector vehicles).
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
DEE DEE da da da...This just an 8 second 0 to 60 is still slow.
I couldn't resist.
Carry on
Yeah, but we're very jaded with our mid 4 second 0-60s.
DEE DEE da da da...This just an 8 second 0 to 60 is still slow.
I couldn't resist.
Yeah, but we're very jaded with our mid 4 second 0-60s.
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm
I did not know Cruze is being built in the US.
If you don't know, then quit speaking like you are the authority.
That does not give you my permission to type the sentence above.This is not grade school, get some manners.
Production in the US started last month, till then it was a Daewoo/Opel.Still is elsewhere.
It does not come close to Corolla/Civic sales globally, it is never going to capture market from these two in the US.It will die the death of Cavalier and Cobalt in 5 years max.
You know this becuase you have actually driven one? Dang thing has not even hit the streets yet for the US market.
Of course he knows this for a fact.
I mean how could a domestic U.S. manufacturer ever possibly make something that could ever compete with his beloved perfect/infallible Nippon nameplates?
It's just NOT possible.
Nope, NO brainwashing whatsoever on this here site.
Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm
I did not know Cruze is being built in the US.
If you don't know, then quit speaking like you are the authority.
That does not give you my permission to type the sentence above.This is not grade school, get some manners.
Production in the US started last month, till then it was a Daewoo/Opel.Still is elsewhere.
It does not come close to Corolla/Civic sales globally, it is never going to capture market from these two in the US.It will die the death of Cavalier and Cobalt in 5 years max.
You know this becuase you have actually driven one? Dang thing has not even hit the streets yet for the US market.
Of course he knows this for a fact.
I mean how could a domestic U.S. manufacturer ever possibly make something that could ever compete with his beloved perfect/infallible Nippon nameplates?
It's just NOT possible.
Nope, NO brainwashing whatsoever on this here site.
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
I mean how could a domestic U.S. manufacturer ever possibly make something that could ever compete with his beloved perfect/infallible Nippon nameplates?
Glad you are coming around.
I mean how could a domestic U.S. manufacturer ever possibly make something that could ever compete with his beloved perfect/infallible Nippon nameplates?
Glad you are coming around.
Originally Posted By: TomYoung
Originally Posted By: SLCraig
Why did they have to off the Saturn S-Series? The best small car GM has ever made for sure.
WHAT????
?
What's better?
I've never desired to own any GM cars at all. But I love my S-series. They are easy to work on, cheap to fix, simple, timing chain engine, comfortable, fun to drive, good on gas.. What are the downsides?
Originally Posted By: SLCraig
Why did they have to off the Saturn S-Series? The best small car GM has ever made for sure.
WHAT????
?
What's better?
I've never desired to own any GM cars at all. But I love my S-series. They are easy to work on, cheap to fix, simple, timing chain engine, comfortable, fun to drive, good on gas.. What are the downsides?
They aren't made anymore... That is a downside.
Originally Posted By: SLCraig
Originally Posted By: TomYoung
Originally Posted By: SLCraig
Why did they have to off the Saturn S-Series? The best small car GM has ever made for sure.
WHAT????
?
What's better?
I've never desired to own any GM cars at all. But I love my S-series. They are easy to work on, cheap to fix, simple, timing chain engine, comfortable, fun to drive, good on gas.. What are the downsides?
+1 A new economy car does very little better than an old one in my experience. In fact many new econo boxes have worse power to weight ratios than the peppier old ones. The new ones are a bit safer except they are making them taller so rolling is more likely as my buddy with his Vibe found out... I'm sure Craig has as much trouble as me find our cars in a parking lot, everything new has much higher roof lines and my Neon hides behind everything newer except sports cars...
Originally Posted By: TomYoung
Originally Posted By: SLCraig
Why did they have to off the Saturn S-Series? The best small car GM has ever made for sure.
WHAT????
?
What's better?
I've never desired to own any GM cars at all. But I love my S-series. They are easy to work on, cheap to fix, simple, timing chain engine, comfortable, fun to drive, good on gas.. What are the downsides?
+1 A new economy car does very little better than an old one in my experience. In fact many new econo boxes have worse power to weight ratios than the peppier old ones. The new ones are a bit safer except they are making them taller so rolling is more likely as my buddy with his Vibe found out... I'm sure Craig has as much trouble as me find our cars in a parking lot, everything new has much higher roof lines and my Neon hides behind everything newer except sports cars...
Originally Posted By: Stu_Rock
I think this car has a lot of potential to win over customers.
I do not think that it will be a runaway hit. Here's why:
The word is that ride quality and handling are sufficient and the interior is far better than anything else in the compact segment and much of the midsize segment. That's great--it has the potential to attract people who drive midsizers not because of size but because they hate chintzy cars (like basically all compacts available in North America). Some pundits have been predicting that new offerings will cause compacts to overtake midsizers as the largest piece of the US market share pie.
But one dealbreaker remains with the Cruze. It is slow, even with the tiny turbo. Some midsize 4 cyl cars can pull 0-60 times in the 8 s neighborhood, while the Cruze barely sneaks into the 9s with the turbo. People like fast cars, and they're not going to be inclined to trade down to something significantly slower.
For this car to reach its sales potential, it needs to be offered with a respectable engine. I nominate the LNF.
And one more pitch: I might consider the Cruze if they offer a station wagon. With the LNF.
While I can agree, I add:
1- Driven right, this car will hit 40mpg without problems. Testing both here and in Europe have mentioned the nice numbers. Ecotecs tend to be good on glass anyways. (Our 2.2 Ecos can do low 30s in mixed driving) I don't think it will have a huge issue, as the 6 speed should help too...
2- Yes, there will be another engine choice coming........
I think this car has a lot of potential to win over customers.
I do not think that it will be a runaway hit. Here's why:
The word is that ride quality and handling are sufficient and the interior is far better than anything else in the compact segment and much of the midsize segment. That's great--it has the potential to attract people who drive midsizers not because of size but because they hate chintzy cars (like basically all compacts available in North America). Some pundits have been predicting that new offerings will cause compacts to overtake midsizers as the largest piece of the US market share pie.
But one dealbreaker remains with the Cruze. It is slow, even with the tiny turbo. Some midsize 4 cyl cars can pull 0-60 times in the 8 s neighborhood, while the Cruze barely sneaks into the 9s with the turbo. People like fast cars, and they're not going to be inclined to trade down to something significantly slower.
For this car to reach its sales potential, it needs to be offered with a respectable engine. I nominate the LNF.
And one more pitch: I might consider the Cruze if they offer a station wagon. With the LNF.
While I can agree, I add:
1- Driven right, this car will hit 40mpg without problems. Testing both here and in Europe have mentioned the nice numbers. Ecotecs tend to be good on glass anyways. (Our 2.2 Ecos can do low 30s in mixed driving) I don't think it will have a huge issue, as the 6 speed should help too...
2- Yes, there will be another engine choice coming........
Guys I was on board till the power to weight! At a pavement rippling 85hp I'm not sure my Saturn has a very good one!! The G5 with the 2.4 is much more fun!
Seriously though, I loved the Saturn too. It was fun and kinda peppy for the rating, very modern looking for it's time. At 10+ years I still got comments that it was a sharp looking car. I would buy another in a heartbeat if that is the market I was looking in. I think the real death of Saturn was when the S-series was axed and then Saturn was just assimilated into the GMBorg.
Seriously though, I loved the Saturn too. It was fun and kinda peppy for the rating, very modern looking for it's time. At 10+ years I still got comments that it was a sharp looking car. I would buy another in a heartbeat if that is the market I was looking in. I think the real death of Saturn was when the S-series was axed and then Saturn was just assimilated into the GMBorg.
The Saturn S Series was quite a car when it was introduced in the early 1990's. Their weak link seemed to be their oil consumption problems and noisy engines (Saturn improved the oil issue but never solved it...nonetheless, the things would run a LONG time...and use a LOT of oil in the process). The problem was Saturn never really improved the car much during it's life (and I can remember reading the model year changes...they always included "additional sound deadening to quiet engine and cabin noise"...almost every year...not sure how effective it was). The cars were LOW and the seats were awful. My brother had a 1994 5 speed (SOHC) and at a little over 6 feet never could get comfortable in the car (loved the mileage and reliability however). I never could understand why redesigned (and improved) models were never introduced...they just kept cranking out the same basic model for years while competitors improved their game. The Saturn concept was solid but they never did "challenge the imports" or turn a profit for that matter. The replacement Ion was a design disaster (not without it's share of issues) and a great disappointment when introduced as the replacement for the S-Series. I figured if they blew it on this car their days were numbered. We all know how it finally played out.
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
I mean how could a domestic U.S. manufacturer ever possibly make something that could ever compete with his beloved perfect/infallible Nippon nameplates?
Glad you are coming around.
Yup, I would sooner ride my American framed bicycle everywhere I had to go then to buy/drive your you know whats!
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
I mean how could a domestic U.S. manufacturer ever possibly make something that could ever compete with his beloved perfect/infallible Nippon nameplates?
Glad you are coming around.
I honestly couldn't deal with having to look at that gauge cluster for too long. And the back... I can't stand how everyone is using that same tired "eagle head profile" shape for EVERTHING- from headlights, taillights, trunk lines etc. My goodness, that thing is popping up everywhere and it's very annoying! Doesn't anyone else see the utter abuse that one geometric shape is taking in the industry? Slap a Traverse from end on it and you've got a new car. Does it still use live beam rear suspension? I'll put 10 bucks down that it does.
Originally Posted By: ItsuMitsubishi
Does it still use live beam rear suspension? I'll put 10 bucks down that it does.
Well, it's FWD, so it's not "live." Like all the other GM Deltas, it does have a torsion beam rear suspension. But it has a Watt's linkage instead of a Panhard rod. I've heard it's very good.
It's certainly not the feature that I have a beef with.
Does it still use live beam rear suspension? I'll put 10 bucks down that it does.
Well, it's FWD, so it's not "live." Like all the other GM Deltas, it does have a torsion beam rear suspension. But it has a Watt's linkage instead of a Panhard rod. I've heard it's very good.
It's certainly not the feature that I have a beef with.
Without reading this whole thread...this is the first car I plan on looking at for my Mom, who is driving a clean 1996 VW Passat.
I just want something cheap and worth getting in the $18k (of her money) I plan on spending. ftr- she could drive any car she wanted, but lives downtown in a major city, a car's not a big priority.
Anyway, isn't 1.8 VVT the same as in our Astra? It runs better on plus octane fuels.
It is possible to milk 40 mpg out o fit in our car.
I just want something cheap and worth getting in the $18k (of her money) I plan on spending. ftr- she could drive any car she wanted, but lives downtown in a major city, a car's not a big priority.
Anyway, isn't 1.8 VVT the same as in our Astra? It runs better on plus octane fuels.
It is possible to milk 40 mpg out o fit in our car.
Get a Hyundai... IMO a much better car, more value for the money and an excellent warranty.
This car is still too new to have been "Debugged" yet and GM doesn't exactly have the best record when it comes to producing bug-free cars in the first model years.
Look at what happened with the LIM's and they still didn't want to admit it was a problem.
Just my $0.02
Heck buy a Ford over this car, just so no one thinks I'm being biased against "Domestic" vehicles.
This car is still too new to have been "Debugged" yet and GM doesn't exactly have the best record when it comes to producing bug-free cars in the first model years.
Look at what happened with the LIM's and they still didn't want to admit it was a problem.
Just my $0.02
Heck buy a Ford over this car, just so no one thinks I'm being biased against "Domestic" vehicles.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Here is a good complete run down of the car's design features: Cruze
Specs report the block as cast iron. Can this be correct?
edit: it appears to be the case.....
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/20/MTIB1F0UKI.DTL
Quote:
The Cruze's engine block is still iron, rather than aluminum. As the car's engineers rightly point out, when the block gets this small, the advantage of lighter-weight material is reduced.
Here is a good complete run down of the car's design features: Cruze
Specs report the block as cast iron. Can this be correct?
edit: it appears to be the case.....
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/20/MTIB1F0UKI.DTL
Quote:
The Cruze's engine block is still iron, rather than aluminum. As the car's engineers rightly point out, when the block gets this small, the advantage of lighter-weight material is reduced.
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