Stick to your guns, Clyde. We may be in the minority around here, but that doesn't make us wrong. Oil's always cheaper than a rebuild, and wear is not linear as insolubles and wear metals build up.
the debate: 5000 dino oci
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I don't think I would change anything the original owner did. Motorcraft Syn-Blend & Motorcraft filters with the suffix "s" on it. Everything I read shows these as excellent products. I also agree with Clyde & Ray very much, it's not worth the chance to try to extend OCI's beyond 5000 miles for any reason. Way too much at stake.
Changing dino oil every 5000 miles is the same protection as changing a synthetic every 15,000 miles.
Bunk. There's no way ANY oil can be compared to any other with 5k and 15k runs.
The 15k oil will simply have more cr*p in it. It's a fact. By-products of combustion and wear simply must be higher.
I won't run my snyth 15k miles, but I would run dino 5k.
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I would have a really hard time changing oil any sooner than 5k without good cause. It would have to be truly SEVERE service. Not just short trip or whatnot ...FLOGGING it. Teenage..errr (cough-cough) young adult behavior - driving as fast as you can in the space alotted type stuff. The only exception would be if 6 months occurred before 5k ..then it would be more due to the difference in my 4 season climate.
5k should be a walk in the park for any spec'd oil.
5k should be a walk in the park for any spec'd oil.
I say, change it at 100 miles. Since shorter drains = increased engine life, you could potentially never wear out an engine. There
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! There you have it. At every fill up, just have the guy do a oil and filter change and it'll last as long as there's gas to be pumped.
IMO.......after my own analyses from blackstone on GTX 5W-30 @ 6500-7k OCI's, a 5k change is the norm. I'm running Havoline 5W-30 @ 5k OCI's in my 'yota as we speak. Any sooner is wasting money. Opinions can't argue with cold hard numbers and facts. The UOA forum is full of reasons to run 5k OCI's.
IMO.......after my own analyses from blackstone on GTX 5W-30 @ 6500-7k OCI's, a 5k change is the norm. I'm running Havoline 5W-30 @ 5k OCI's in my 'yota as we speak. Any sooner is wasting money. Opinions can't argue with cold hard numbers and facts. The UOA forum is full of reasons to run 5k OCI's.
I change all my vehicles out at 4 months - don't even bother looking at the mileage. It could be 1500 miles or 5500 miles, makes no difference to me. If it makes you guys feel any better, the next time I do a change, I won't tell you what the mileage was.
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You're a typical OCI'er, Clyde. Most here are 3/4/6 month OCI types. Why do you think we see such short and oddball UOAs all the time? It's from people who are uncomfortable leaving it in there any longer. The mileage is typically just a coincidental ticker. People like OCIs that fit evenly into a year ..so it's 2/3/4 OCIs for most users. If they go over a certain mileage ..they use synths. Some do actually use the odometer ..but you can also see the time component factored into most.
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Run a UOA w/ TBN after 5K. It either holds up in your engine or it doesn't. Data is more useful than opinions.
Agreed. With Superflo being 1.39 a quart, and an ST filter at 2.09, a 5 quart change is right at 9.00. Even an entry level syn (ST, 12.88 for 5 quarts) would be better for 5k. Either way, only a UOA can tell.
I would just stick with MC 5w20 and the FL820s. 2000 w/ a 5.4L is the same as you stated, super clean.
Look at it this way - you religiously change the oil and filter every 3,000 miles with top-shelf dino. Nothing feels so good as a Saturday morning under the car. Five quarts out, five quarts in. A few cold ones and some cool tunes in the air. The wrenches, the Go-Jo, the feel of the blue-paper "Shop Rags." A little chat with the neighbors, one foot on the bumper, one on the floor. Something primal, as though this oily liquid connects us mystically with the hunter/gatherers back in the early days of mankind who gathered around the fire in celebration of the hunt. After ten years of draining and changing, your motor is as clean as the day it was made. But the paint on the car is fading and pealing, the seats are worn, the carpet is tread-bear, the headliner is falling down and the tranny is slipping. Fuel-pump is weak, alternator bearings are growling, water-pump is leaking, brakes are spongy, dash is cracked and the radio graviates to "The Daily Ag. Report". Even though she's only worth maybe a grand and even though she's showing her years, you still love "Ol' Betsy." That's the reason it breaks your heart when that idiot youngun runs that stop sign and slams into the passenger-side, bending "Betsy" like Super-man bends a steel bar. Hey, the air-bags still worked, even though they had to blow past a fist-full of dust and cobwebs. There's a tear in your eye as the tow-truck driver offers to drop you off at your house on the way to the junk-yard. You wear black for a month and choke up when you catch a glance at that empty parking space. Brothers, it all boils down to this - Better to have loved and lost than never loved at all.
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