Help Me Decide on Oil for new 2024 Elantra N

I have a 2023 Elantra N and it gets tracked 3 times a month. I have been using Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w40 as I had so many jugs left from the BMW. I switched over to Amsoil Signature Series 5w30 yesterday and sent my oil sample to Blackstone and will report back their findings. Engine-wise it's stock and I use Shell 93 fuel in British Columbia
 
I have a 2023 Elantra N and it gets tracked 3 times a month. I have been using Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w40 as I had so many jugs left from the BMW. I switched over to Amsoil Signature Series 5w30 yesterday and sent my oil sample to Blackstone and will report back their findings. Engine-wise it's stock and I use Shell 93 fuel in British Columbia
My only concern with that oil would be that it’s full-SAPS (IVD concerns).

Jury’s out on whether full-SAPS oils contribute more than mid-SAPS oils (such as M1 ESP) to IVD.

I’ve decided to go M1 ESP 0W-30 for my first OCI on mine.
 
My only concern with that oil would be that it’s full-SAPS (IVD concerns).

Jury’s out on whether full-SAPS oils contribute more than mid-SAPS oils (such as M1 ESP) to IVD.

I’ve decided to go M1 ESP 0W-30 for my first OCI on mine.
I don't buy the IVD on the full SAPS, my valves looked fine/normal for GDI engine at 75K meaning no abnormal build up on full SAPS VW502 Euro oils. Folks over-worry about IVD, it's a maintenance item at some point on all GDI engines if you keep them long enough. However, the GDI in our Focus now my son's is 11 years old/135K and I've never done the valve, runs fine.
 
I don't buy the IVD on the full SAPS, my valves looked fine/normal for GDI engine at 75K meaning no abnormal build up on full SAPS VW502 Euro oils. Folks over-worry about IVD, it's a maintenance item at some point on all GDI engines if you keep them long enough. However, the GDI in our Focus now my son's is 11 years old/135K and I've never done the valve, runs fine.
I think you also drive it how it was meant to be driven, plenty of runs to redline right?

I think that makes a difference too.
 
I think you also drive it how it was meant to be driven, plenty of runs to redline right?

I think that makes a difference too.
Correct.

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I thought I should add to this as me and my 2 adult sons have N's. My one boy has a 23 Kona N, I use QS 5w-40 due to price for him. Other son has a 24 Elantra N, I use Mobil 1 ESP 0w-30 for his. He will pay more than his brother for oil. I have a 24 Elantra N that I use HPL Supercar 0w-30 as I make more and can use whatever I please. Hope this helps.
 
FWIW, in Canada Hyundai give you a Canada specific maintenance manual. All OCI are mandated as severe service, which is every 3750 miles. Something to consider for your car.
I know I would if it was my car.
 
Didn't Hyundai recommend 0w30 ACEA C2 grade oil for the exact same engine not long ago?

Would say something like 0w30 with MB229.52 approval would sit well with this engine. LSPI protection and 3.5+ HTHS.
 
FWIW, in Canada Hyundai give you a Canada specific maintenance manual. All OCI are mandated as severe service, which is every 3750 miles. Something to consider for your car.
I know I would if it was my car.
So the 3750 still exists in their 2024/2025 Owners Manuals? Or just outside of Smartstream engines they produce?
 
So the 3750 still exists in their 2024/2025 Owners Manuals? Or just outside of Smartstream engines they produce?
Canadian owner's manuals. They give you an extra manual for Canada. Basically the extreme schedule.
Interesting that you can live in upper New York state and they don't call that extreme use, but cross into Canada, and different schedule applies.
 
Canadian owner's manuals. They give you an extra manual for Canada. Basically the extreme schedule.
Interesting that you can live in upper New York state and they don't call that extreme use, but cross into Canada, and different schedule applies.
Unfair! So I'm cancelling my Visitors Passport there. Was hoping to see the Falls again. Our Honeymoon Spot in Nov 71'

Changing oils more often for that manufacturer, is notably a good idea anyways. I sure do.
John seems to have a good plan in-place for his new Elanta. But it could have been his toddler's idea.
 
Unfair! So I'm cancelling my Visitors Passport there. Was hoping to see the Falls again. Our Honeymoon Spot in Nov 71'

Changing oils more often for that manufacturer, is notably a good idea anyways. I sure do.
John seems to have a good plan in-place for his new Elanta. But it could have been his toddler's idea.
Hope you can make it up.
Niagara on the Lake is a good location to visit, as is Collingwood, just North of Toronto.
Some shots from Collingwood last September.

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Hope you can make it up.
Niagara on the Lake is a good location to visit

I have always loved driving to NOTL and now I have a part time gig doing walking tours and winery tours in NOTL so I’m there 4-5 days a week now. It’s a FANTASTIC place to visit and I highly recommend it to anyone here who has never been there 😊
 
I have always loved driving to NOTL and now I have a part time gig doing walking tours and winery tours in NOTL so I’m there 4-5 days a week now. It’s a FANTASTIC place to visit and I highly recommend it to anyone here who has never been there 😊
Next summer is the timeline for the Canadian-side Falls. We also want to step into New York to see the MLB Hall Of Fame in Cooperstown. Looks to be about 260 miles apart.

Didn't mean to sidetrack this thread topic. I'll exit the Falls discussion. Thanks for the pics Danno.... beautiful.
 
Follow the owners manual at the very least so when you go turn it in, the engine still "works". The oil requirement fir the Elantra N has actually been updated and now calls for a 5w30 API SP/ACEA C2/C3 oil (EURO) or A5/B5 (Full SAPS-for cars in countries where the cars aren't equipped with GPF). I pay a little extra for the oil I use and change it religiously every 5K miles including the (OEM) filter. I have been blasting GDi cleaner (CRC) thru the PCV hose into the intake manifold each time since the third oil change on mine. 45K miles since and haven't had an issue to report yet. I'm tuned (and have been since about 10K miles) 350bhp. Transmission (DCT) is about to get a fluid change with the O.E. fluid within the next 5K miles. u/Ohm_State
 
Well, I had a 2016 WRX and decided on Pennzoil Platinum 10W-30 because of relatively low SAPS (to help keep valves clean), low Noack, and excellent GTL base oil. And the ability to obtain it from Walmart’s shelves at will.

Things were a bit more simple back then, as we were dealing with API SN, I think, and most of the Euro formulations still had really high SAPS, and LSPI was getting more into the consciousness of the drivers of performance sport compacts as something that should be avoided.

Now, I will say, I do have an understanding of the potential impact of calcium in the oil, on LSPI, but I also know how to avoid getting the engine into the regime where LSPI is a risk (lower RPM, higher gear, spiking boost).

But anyway, the car will be driven hard on backroads and mountain roads regularly, and has 276 HP/289 FT-LBS (and I’ve read that that is a conservative rating, because the car actually has been dyno’d to produce those numbers at the wheels, so it’s actually very conservatively rated from the factory), so I’m thinking something with at least 3.5 HTHS.

So that rules out the owners manual suggestion of an ILSAC 0W-30. So if you’re here to tell me to “just follow the manual”, don’t waste your breath! 😜

M1 ESP 0W-30 (SP version): Maybe? It would simplify things, because I am already using this in our Odyssey. However, it’s been brought to my attention that it has ~ 1700 ppm of Ca. Not overly high, and this oil passes the MB 229.52 LSPI test. However, some believe that this is still a little high for a smaller TGDI engine. And @RDY4WAR made the point that we don’t know MB’s test specs, or what engine they’re using for the test.

ESP 5W-30 has much less. It’s just $11 more per jug ($38 vs $27). But it should have fewer VII/VM, and lower volatility. This is probably number one in the running right now, especially as I can get it on the shelf at the local Auto Zone.

But then the SP version of M1 FS 0W-40 also has a new lower Ca detergent pack. But higher SAPS… Wondering about potential for more deposits due to higher SAPS on this one, or other API-SP-approved Euro formulations that would have good HTHS, great base oils, but maybe higher SAPS.

Manual calls for 6000-mile OCIs, but I'm planning on 5000 mile OCIs.

Funny note: There’s a decal under the hood that says “Hyundai recommends Quaker State”. But QS doesn’t actually even offer a 0W-30! 🤣

I emailed them, and they didn’t have much to say other than QS doesn’t offer an oil for my car, and to take it to the dealership! 😆

I’m also open to considering a boutique oil like HPL - I’ve never used a boutique oil, but I know a lot of y’all do, and I have looked into it a little bit and obviously the specs are very, very impressive. The “no VII” versions are especially enticing, especially with this being turbo, and wanting to avoid deposits both in intake tract and turbo. But is it worth it when I’m going to do 5000 mile OCIs? View attachment 231685View attachment 231686View attachment 231687View attachment 231688View attachment 231689
Couple points, John, even if I’m biased:

M1 0w40 is probably the greatest shelf oil we’ve ever been blessed with. The end.

LSPI is a boogeyman that doesn’t exist in the real world, unless you have a manual trans and drive the car like an idiot (high gears @ low speeds and WOT). The end.

HPL is going to offer you many benefits that will never show up on a UOA. It’s not so much boutique as a break from the mainstream; it’s oil blended for maximum performance, price be ****ed (but only a little). David’s name & company reputation ride on every recommendation he makes, and I’ve never encountered anyone besides a local machine shop with the mindset that their word is their absolute bond like I have with David & HPL. Even when claiming better performance and 3-5x lifespan of oil, David is still usually underpromising. If you get a recommendation, you can be sure it’s going to protect your engine like it was his own. The cost to upgrade to HPL disappears when you use it as David recommends. I’ve literally got HPL in every single possible use my 3 vehicles, zero turn mower, and generator can use. I believe in supporting the companies that deliver what I expect; that is honesty and delivering on their promises. You can’t go wrong if you pick HPL, but I’m not going to discourage you from using “good enough” shelf oils if you so choose.
 
MB 229.52 is given as dealer service oil for the CLA/GLA/GLB 35, i have dealer receipts from a MB AMG center if you would like them; that engine is more power dense than the elantra N. Hyundai is offering a 10 year power train warranty with what they specify in the owners manual, that's a pretty hefty promise. Everyone saying HPL is a good choice is also very correct in the product you are receiving. Worrying about lspi is probably the least of your worries if you know how to drive a 6 speed; Don't drive it like the EJ guys and you will never have a problem, and if you do oil isn't saving you.
 
And the ability to obtain it from Walmart’s shelves at will.


ESP 5W-30 has much less. It’s just $11 more per jug ($38 vs $27). But it should have fewer VII/VM, and lower volatility. This is probably number one in the running right now, especially as I can get it on the shelf at the local Auto Zone.
It is available on your local Walmart shelf for around $27
 
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